MuggleCast 87 Transcript
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Micah: Because we lost Andrew on the Outer Banks, this is MuggleCast Episode 87 for April 15th, 2007.
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Laura: Okay everyone, I think it's time that we come clean.
Jamie: Do you really think so? Because it was such a joke.
Laura: I really do think that we should, Jamie, because so many people were so upset about it and I think it's just time we came out and admitted that we really didn't get the Book 7 manuscript.
Jamie: I would base this on one question: Would a general member of the population believe that in the seventh book, Jo would personally write that Harry slipped on a slice of carrot cake and broke his pelvis?
[Kevin and Laura laugh]
Jamie: Because if the general population says, "No," then I don't think we should come clean. I think we should let people stew in their own disbelief, and believe it's true and stuff.
Eric: Or we can insult our listeners for believing that Harry slipped on a piece of carrot cake, or...
Jamie: I think we should - I'm sorry, Eric. I think that they deserve insulting if they believed that.
Eric: Well if that didn't do it for them, the whole Facebook thing...
Jamie: Yeah exactly.
Eric: ...Was a lot more realistic. So...
Jamie: Oh wait, that wasn't true?
Eric: Oh. Then it is time to come clean.
Jamie: Well listen, I tagged him, I wrote on his wall. So, don't spoil the magic for me.
Laura: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in all seriousness everybody, it was a joke.
Jamie: It was.
Laura: Frankly I was a little surprised that there were people who believed it.
Jamie: It's just a joke. It's just a joke.
Laura: I love how our supposed to be 30-second intro has now turned into two-and-a-half minutes of intro. And with that, I'm Laura Thompson.
Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.
Jamie: Jamie Lawrence.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.
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Micah: Well Laura, there will soon be seven. That is the new ad for the Deathly Hallows marketing campaign designed by Scholastic, and it appears in the most recent addition of Entertainment Weekly.
Speaking of the seventh book, back in March, Scholastic announced their promotional plans for Deathly Hallows which included a Knight Bus tour. Scholastic has now released the dates and locations for their 37-stop tour along the East Coast of the United States. For more information you can check out MuggleNet.com.
In an interview conducted on the Order of the Phoenix set last fall, producer David Heyman discussed what cuts they made to the film, his take on the film's darkness and intensity and director David Yates. He said about Yates,
"You see a director with real strong point of view. A really idiosyncratic sensibility. He is someone who grounds things. He makes everything seem very real and authentic, and that's very important for this... This is a film which is grounded, I think, more in reality in the sense that it's about a revolution, in a way. War is upon us, or is getting closer, as Voldemort has returned."
And Evanna Lynch recently did an interview where she spoke in detail about the past year where she won the role of Luna Lovegood. On whether she and Luna share similarities, Evanna says this:
"Yes, quite a few. I believe that almost anything is possible if you see the possibilities rather than the obstacles; Luna has some very unconventional beliefs that need no basis of fact and while I don't share them I think it shows us that she won't believe things are untrue until you have some very firm evidence. There is no evidence to suggest that the Crumple Horned Snorkack exists, but there is no evidence to suggest that it doesn't exist, therefore she can believe in it. I think the main difference between us is that I am a lot more ambitious and that makes me serious. Luna is so free and seems to drift along with life, dealing with everything as it comes to her."
JK Rowling is set to be featured on "Britain's Rich List" next Thursday on ITV1 at 9 p.m. According to Radio Times, "Every year the Sunday Times Rich List ranks Britain's top earners by their wealth. ITV gets an exclusive preview and meets the members of this exclusive club where the entry level is seventy million quid."
Finally, happy birthday to Emma Watson. The Harry Potter actress who plays Hermione Granger turns 17 today, and another Emma, Emma Thompson, who plays professor Trelawney, turns 48.
That's all the news for this April 15th, 2007, edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.
Laura: All right, thank you Micah.
Micah: You're welcome, Laura. You know I like doing the news for you much better than Andrew.
Laura: Oh yeah. I know I'm not as pushy about you getting it done, right?
Micah: That's right.
Jamie: Yeah, you should see Andrew.
Laura: Okay, we've only got one announcement for everybody this week-it's just Podcast Alley. We're number one over there so just keep up the voting. We're ahead of that other Potter podcast and Keith and the Girl, which is always nice.
Jamie: But do you know what?
Jamie: Can I just say quickly, do you think we're insulting the intelligence of our listeners by asking them every week to vote on Podcast Alley?
Laura: I don't think so.
Jamie: Because you'd think after 87 shows, they might just remember.
Kevin: I wouldn't, honestly.
Jamie: No, I wouldn't.
Laura: Yeah, neither would I.
Kevin: I would totally forget.
Laura: And you notice that when we've gone for weeks at a time without doing it, we've slowly dropped down the list and I just think it's good to remind people every now and then.
Jamie: Every week. Every week, you mean.
Laura: So just keep it in mind. [laughs] Every week and especially at the beginning of every month, go vote at Podcast Alley.
Jamie: Shouldn't we add a kind of threat in there to make it seem more realistic? If you don't vote for us on Podcast Alley...
Laura: Well let's see, we have you listen to the other Potter podcast and God kills a kitten. So...
Jamie: Yeah, yeah, that's God kills a kitten, but I think we need to take it a bit further, because if they listen to it it's okay, but I think if they don't vote on Podcast Alley, that's pretty serious. So God doesn't only kill the kitten...
Laura: Oh, well then...
Jamie: ...he kills its family.
Laura: We will really spoil Book 7. We will really spoil Book 7. There we go.
Jamie: No, no, Laura it's just a book though. It's just a book. He'll kill the kitten, he'll torture their family and empty their checking accounts, and he'll forge their signature and buy 500 quids worth of...
Jamie: ...coats from...
Laura: Wow. That's...
Religious Complaints Addresseed
Eric: No. And speaking of dissing God, we have to say that right now in this announcement. I think we should really talk about that, actually. Because that's - yeah.
Laura: Yeah, definitely. A lot of people - yeah, well not really - tons of people, but we've gotten several emails concerning listeners who think that we are dissing Christians and that's one hundred percent not true. We have never on this show dissed Christians.
Jamie: How could you possibly think that way? We're a Harry Potter podcast.
Laura: Yeah. It's because we make jokes about Laura Mallory, and I think that if you go back and listen to previous episodes, you can clearly grasp that making fun of Laura Mallory is not making fun of other Christians, because we don't associate fanatical Christians with non-fanatical Christians. And I think that pretty much sums it up. Does anyone else have anything to say on that?
Jamie: [coughs] I think that was pretty perfect.
Eric: Even though we're not associating with non-fanatical Christians with Laura Mallory, are we associating Laura Mallory with fanatical Christians?
Laura: Yes. Of course we are because...
Eric: I withhold the question. I withhold the question. You're doing great.
Laura: Okay [laughs] All right.
Micah: Just let's stay away from that. Please. Laura, I have an announcement.
Laura: You do? What is that Micah?
Micah: I do. If people haven't noticed already, we kind of...
Jamie: You're pregnant.
Micah: Yes, I am Jamie, but you weren't supposed to know that. So don't tell everyone. At least not now.
Micah: Anyway we're down one of our hosts. Andrew is not here this week, but...
Laura: Oh, yeah...
Micah: He wanted me to read a little bit of a note that he put together for all of his fans out there. Do you mind if I go ahead?
Eric: Why does he always do this?
Laura: It just creates pickle. That's all it says, "Pickle."
Laura: They all know what it means.
Micah: No, it's a little bit more involved than that. It's actually why he's not here. So, I think we should take a few minutes and go into this...
Jamie: Is it embellished and sensationalized as well?
Eric: Why do we do this every week? The guy can't make it, or adding it when he's editing it.
Jamie: Because it's normally a boring excuse. Why can't he make it? Oh because he's going on a family meal. Oh, wow.
Laura: [laughs] Okay, Micah. Why don't you go ahead and read it.
Micah: All right, it says, "Dear listeners, I deeply regret not being here on this week's show."
Jamie: No, he doesn't.
Micah: "I am on an important business trip to track down the latest fabricated Michael Goldenburg interviews. Don't tell Micah this."
"But I think it was him who tried to frame me. Always yours, Andrew."
Micah: So, he's having me try to implicate myself...
Micah: ...by reading his e-mail here. That's a little bit...odd.
Laura: Micah what have you been doing in your spare time?
Micah: Apparently fabricating Michael Goldenburg interviews. [laughs]
Jamie: Michael...Micah, that's your hobby. That's what you do.
Laura: Okay, moving on. I think we have some rebuttals. Eric?
Listener Rebuttal: Spine Symbol
Eric: Oh, yes. Of course. Micah and I will be doing this episode's rebuttals. From Guro, age 19 from Norway. Subject is Spine-symbol, and greek letters. Its says:
"Hey, guys just wanted to comment on episode 85 where you talk about the symbol on the spine of the UK children's edition of the seventh book, and Mikey said that it was a circle and a perfect triangle. This is probably true, however I think he overlooked that it can also be a combination of the two Greek letters Delta and... Phi..."
Jamie: Phi...it's "phee."
Eric: Yes, I thought it was "Phee."
"I think this is the case, because of the straight line across the circle. Now what does that mean you say? Phi is related to wisdom (as anyone who has read 'The Da Vinci Code' will tell you)..."
Jamie: Absolutely. Very true, very true.
Eric: "And Delta is..."
Yeah Jamie, you are a big Dan Brown fan I hear.
Jamie: I am, I am. Quite a big Dan... I am. I am.
Eric: "And Delta is as I'm sure most of you know, related to math. However Delta is also the symbol used in legal shorthand for the defended. This may not mean anything, just thought I should point it out. Thanks!
Laura: I think that little bit about the defended...
Laura: ...because when you think about it, the character who is going to need the most defending in Book 7 is Snape.
Eric: I'm trying to think in terms of this in being a part of the cover. I really think it's a publisher's symbol of some sort because you know it's on the...
Laura: I don't think so - yeah, but it's on the spine in the same area where other pictures have been on the rest of the books.
Eric: Oooh, okay, then I am completely wrong.
Jamie: That is true. Phi is actually very interesting in The Da Vinci Code. For those people who haven't read it, let me just completely spoil it by saying that Robert Langdon, the main character, talks about the symbol Phi and it's relation to sort of physics, biology and he says the relation between female and male honeybees in the community is one point - oh, I can't remember this - six point eight?
Eric: I thought it was three point...
Jamie: No that's Pie.
Eric: Oh well, yeah, 3.14, but, no. I mean, I loved Da Vinci Code - I actually prefer Angels and Demons - but 1.618 I think it is. You're right, Jamie, it is. The relation...
Jamie: And the relation between honeybees and bees and male bees in their communities and sort of the relation - the ratio of shells, the inner thing of the shells. Stuff like that. It's very interesting, and I encourage people to read it. And that's my check from Dan Brown's publishing company, as well as from FOX last week for Prison Break references.
Laura: Yeah, really. [laughs]
Eric: Ieah, I'll cut in on some of that action.
Eric: The male, the proportionate human. [Something beeps in background] Sorry. The proportion of human is also divisible in also body lengths...
Jamie: It is, yeah.
Eric: ...by Phi.
Eric: So, yeah, it's quite cool. But no, the symbols on the spine of the UK editions. The first book had - oh, now I'm forgetting it. Well, the second book at any rate, it had Hedwig in her cage, the third one had the Grim, the fourth one had yet another owl, actually. Book 5, Order of the Phoenix, in UK had the feather of the Phoenix and Book 6 had Marvolo Gaunt's ring, or the Gaunt ring, presumably.
Jamie: That's interesting.
Laura: I like especially that Gaunt's ring was on the spine of Half-Blood Prince because it goes to show that they are really putting emphasis on important aspects from the books on the spine. So, I think that the symbol definitely is going to play a role in the book. I don't have a question about it.
Listener Rebuttal: The Prophecy
Micah: Alright, next rebuttal comes from Ayzil? Is that right? I hope so.
Jamie: A-zil. I think so.
Laura: A-zul. A-zil. Yeah, sorry!
Micah: Twenty-seven, from Texas. She writes in about The Prophecy. So, a little bit unrelated about our Book 7 discussion, but she comes up with a pretty cool idea. She said:
"I thought of this while listening to one of your casts a couple weeks ago when Jamie was talking about tying Voldemort to a chair and Avada Kedavra-ing him."
Jamie: [laughs] That's a good idea.
Micah: "Why does Harry have to do that? I have an off-the-wall theory regarding the prophecy given to Dumbledore during Trelawney's interview. It starts with, 'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...' and then pauses. Could she have been talking about another person besides the chosen one? If you think about it, two people were 'approaching' that room at that very moment: Snape and Dumbledore's brother. I thought it would be interesting if the Prophecy was meant for Harry, but that first sentence was meant for another who will help Harry in the end. Let me know your thoughts even if you think I'm an idiot."
Jamie: That is the hottest thing I have ever heard in my life...
Jamie: That is...oh my god.
Jamie: This room is definitely 25 degrees.
Laura: You are definitely not an idiot.
Jamie: Yeah, you aren't an idiot. That's actually so true. It's clearly got to be right, just because it is so awesome. That is actually brilliant.
Jamie: Well, done. Please some over here so I can hug you.
Eric: So, what... Snape and Aberforth Dumbledore presumably Snape -by the ear- were approaching...
Jamie: Yeah. "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches..." Approaches the room...oh my god. I wish I was that clever!
Laura: I mean, what's great about it is she's right. There's a pause between the two thoughts...
Jamie: Yeah, really.
Laura: So, they might not be related.
Jamie: That is brilliant.
Eric: Yeah, what's the next sentence? "Born to those who thrice defied him..."
Laura: It's "Born to those who thrice defied him..."
Jamie: [sneezes] God, that is absolutely genius.
Eric: Yeah, well. There are two nouns there. If she refers to someone... If she uses a different term to describe Harry right then and there, then it's definite I think because doesn't she say "Born to those..."
Jamie: Cue the moment of silence for this...
Laura: "Born to those who thrice defied him, Born as the seventh month dies..."
Jamie: "And the Dark Lord will..."
Laura: "And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal."
Eric: "And he will have the power of the Dark Lord knows not..."
Laura: "And he will have the power the Dark Lord knows not..."
Laura: So actually she only uses the word "one" in reference to the person who can defeat the Dark Lord once. She doesn't use it multiple times.
Jamie: "Approaches," that is just so good. [laughs]
Kevin: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting...
Laura: [laughs] Oh, I know.
Jamie: Oh my god. Can we have a collective, "Oh, god"?
Eric: Heave ho, god.
Micah: I really like this though. I think this is a great, great theory because...
Jamie: It's - no, that's actually brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Micah: I think - I've always thought there's more to the prophecy.
Micah: I think we all have. And Jo said that she worded it very carefully with Trelawney.
Jamie: She did. Yeah.
Micah: So, it's very possible...
Jamie: It clearly isn't Trelawney, though, because she's useless. So it has to be Snape. [laughs]
Jamie: All Trelawney does is drink sherry. You know...
Micah: No, no, no.
Jamie: What's she going to do?
Micah: What I was saying is that she worded it when she wrote it...
Micah: ..,carefully with Trelawney.
Jamie: She did.
Micah: Not that Trelawney...
Eric: Trelawney stumbles, too.
Jamie: Eric, do you think it's a kind ofPirates of the Caribbean thing? When, you know, Harry's going to be fighting Voldemort...
Jamie: ...in this, sort of, blacksmith's yard. And then Trelawney's going to be sitting there, asleep. And just as Voldemort steps backwards, she's going to grab her bottle and just smash him over the head.
Eric: And then, right after that...
Jamie: I swear.
Eric: Right after that, Jamie, she'll say, "But why is the sherry gone?" So.
Jamie: She will. Yes. Exactly.
Listener Rebuttal: Durmstrang and Gringotts
Micah: Next rebuttal comes from Tiffany, 24, of Australia. She said,
"Hi, MuggleCasters. Love the dumb jokes..."
I don't think our jokes are dumb, do you?
[Eric, Jamie and Laura laugh]
"Love the topics, love the show! P.S. I think the castle on the back of the U.K. children's cover may be Durmstrang, as it looks quite icy and J.K.R. said we will be seeing Krum again. Also, the mist could be the dementors breeding. I would also like to add that I think the U.K. children's may be Gringotts. Hagrid takes an "indestructible" goblin-wrought helmet to present to the Gurg in Half-Blood Prince - or may possibly be a vault of Gryffindor's, seeing as the only stones in that treasure are rubies. Sorry if I'm repeating anything anyone else has said, and thanks for a great show!"
Jamie: Interesting, interesting. I like that Durmstrang idea.
Laura: I like the mist.
Jamie: Very clever. The mist, as well.
Laura: Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that it's Durmstrang.
Kevin: Yeah. I saw that.
Kevin: But I'm not so sure because they say it looks icy. And it just seems like...
Laura: It just seems like that's the moon.
Eric: It's a play on the moon. Yeah.
Laura: Yeah, I don't think it's really icy. I mean, it's definitely icy in color and appearance, but I don't know if it's actually. But, what I really like about Tiffany's rebuttal is she talks about the possibility of the U.K. children's cover taking place in Gringotts. Which is great, because...
Jamie: It is. Yeah.
Laura: Today's main discussion is about Gringotts. And we'll be getting to that in a few minutes. Does anyone else have anything to say on this one, or should we move on?
Jamie: Well, didn't we talk about, on a previous show, that we thought that the treasure had to be at Gringotts. Because, you know...
Jamie: It had the - and...
Laura: I mean, definitely has the look.
Jamie: I think that it's a pretty safe conclusion, you know. It's - And Gringotts has always been hyped up. Actually no, not really hyped up. But, she made the...
Kevin: Like highlighted it.
Jamie: Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Kevin: Yeah. She made a point of putting it in.
Jamie: And Jo made the deal of making the poem to be a big deal. You know, the thing on the front door of Gringotts. And Hagrid said that Gringotts was the safest place to keep something, apart from Hogwarts. And it just seems like a safe place anyway. So, we have to go back there. All these places have to be important to both sides of the Wizarding war, you know?
Laura: And what I love about it is, you'll remember that I've been, you know, harping on about this whole parallels between the different books.
Laura: And really, the largest role that Gringotts has played was in Book 1.
Laura: And I'm really excited about seeing it again in Book 7.
Jamie: I agree.
Laura: I think it's awesome.
Micah: I like the part about the indestructible, goblin-wrought helmet. Because if you look at some of the pieces on the cover of the U.K. children's edition, it shows that there's not just the helmet but it seems like there's a lot of different pieces of armor. Which actually leads into the rebuttal. So, Eric, go ahead.
Listener Rebuttal: Goblin-Wrought Armor
Eric: Why, thank you, Micah. And now with today's weather. This fourth rebuttal comes from Ann Beth, age 16, also from Norway. We have a lot of Norwegian Harry Potter fans. And we appreciate every single one of them.
Jamie: [sings] Sara Beth. [laughs] Two.
Eric: Well, two in one episode is very, very big.
Jamie: It is.
Eric: Very good. Okay, subject is U.K. children's cover.
"Hey, guys and Laura. I was just listening to Episode 83..."
Woot woot. Which Eric did a wonderful job editing.
"And when you were discussing the U.K. children's cover, I remembered something."
Micah: I don't think it said that. [laughs]
Eric: Well, just because it's not transcribed doesn't mean she doesn't say it.
Eric: "In 'Half-Blood Prince' pg. 407, U.K. edition, Dumbledore and Harry are looking at the memory of Hepzibah Smith. Voldemort visited Hepzibah because he wanted to know if she still wasn't willing to sell her goblin-made armor. It was only mentioned in passing, but we all know that that's J.K.'s style."
We sure do.
"Could that be the armor featured on the U.K. children's cover?"
The goblin-made armor in from there. Yeah.
Jamie: Very interesting.
Eric: "If so, is it a Horcrux? Perhaps it belonged to Ravenclaw or Gryffindor, seeing that Gryffindor had a sword, perhaps he had an armor to go with it. Just wanted to know what you guys think."
Kevin: It's possible, yeah.
Micah: Well, one thing I just wanted to bring up was that Hepzibah Smith was visited by Tom Riddle when he was still working at Borgin and Burke's. And upon arriving to Miss Hepzibah, he told her that he was there because Mr. Burke would like to make an improved offer for the goblin-made armor. So, I thought that was kind of interesting because, again, there is armor on the cover the children's edition in the U.K. for Deathly Hallows. So, is it possible that maybe Mr. Burke didn't want it. Maybe Tom Riddle wanted it to make a Horcrux because we know the nature of the armor itself is almost indestructible.
Laura: Yeah. It's definitely possible. It would be something that would really appeal to him, I think. My question is, did he actually make a Horcrux out of it? What are the chances that the Cup, you know, Hufflepuff's Cup and some armor: two Horcruxes would come from one person?
Jamie: But it isn't only that. It's just, goblin-made armor, it doesn't...
Jamie: I agree. It just doesn't seem special enough. Yes, it's special, but there's more than one goblin who can make it.
Kevin: He wants one-of-a-kind pieces. Yeah, unique.
Jamie: Whereas, Hufflepuff's Cup - exactly, yeah, he wants - Pokemon reference, Pokemon reference.
Jamie: The three legendary birds in the game, you can only catch one of them once. You had one chance to catch them, and if you missed it, you missed it...
Eric: Would that be Zapdos, Molestare - Moltres and...
Jamie: ...Zapdos and Moltres. But yeah, you only had once chance to catch them and if you missed it, you missed it. And it's kind of like that. I think he just wanted one-of-a-kind things. So I don't think he'd want something which, although very, very rare and which could be done with a spell or made by, you know, any number of goblins and it's still rare and the techniques are still rare, I don't think he'd want that. Because he'd just want one-of-a-kind items.
Micah: Well, what if it's one-of-a-kind in who it belonged to, though. We don't know who the armor belonged to.
Jamie: That's true.
Laura: Yeah, that's true. I think it's also possible that even if he ended up not making it into a Horcrux, he might have been considering it.
Jamie: Yeah, that is true.
Laura: Like maybe he thought about doing that and then as time went on he thought he wanted to be a little more selective about the items he chose.
Laura: Yes, no, maybe?
Eric: Yeah, well...
Eric: And also, it's dependent on - I mean, I'm willing to believe that maybe it was actually Borgin that - or Mr. Burke - that wanted this, you know? Maybe, potentially? Just because of it's retail value. But also, about what Laura was asking regarding could he - would he take two things from the same founder, from the same person? I really - I think kind of it might have been desperation if he did. You know, what he can get his hands on of the four founders? Because, obviously, anything Hogwartsian is kind of special to him. But I also think in the Book 7, it doesn't necessarily mean that all the items of the founders are Horcruxes. But I do think that Harry will have to find items of the founders as a completely separate entity. Perhaps for a different reason. Maybe the founders of Hogwarts' items will aid Harry. Not because they're Horcruxes, but just because they're special in themselves. Do you guys think that is possible?
Laura: Mhm. Well, I was almost thinking that Harry might have to - Part of his adventure might just be finding clues. Not just finding Horcruxes...
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