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Show Intro

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Andrew: Because, oh my god, like, two new trailers, this is MuggleCast Episode 88, for April 29th, 2007, dedicated to AF.

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Andrew: We got a Facebook comment on our little group profile last week, and I thought it was very fitting because we were off the show last week, and it just so happens that a certain video game came out last week. It comes from Chris Heaton in West Midlands, the West Midlands network Facebook group. Anyone a part of that?

Ben: I am.

Andrew: Okay, Ben.

Ben: [laughs] Hi, I'm back.

Andrew: Yeah, nobody cares.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Oh, ouch. That hurts.

Andrew: He wrote:

So, you guys are having a break on the 22nd of April, which curiously is the release date of "Pokemon Diamond/Pearl" in the US. Coincidence? I think not. Doing other things? Yeah, right. Oh, how I love it.

Uh, Chris found out.

Ben: So, he thought we got together to play Pokemon? Is that what...

Andrew: Yeah, because we've been doing this segment on the show lately where we make Pokemon references, and the week we took off...

Ben: [laughs] Oh.

Andrew: ...just happened to be the week that the new Pokemon game was released.

Ben: Oh.

Andrew: That is true for some of us like Eric and Jamie, but for others it's not, like me. I like taking a week off because when we come back it's like a whole big thing, and now I have a studio audience and we've missed out on so much news that we have so much to talk about this week. I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: And I'm Laura Thompson.

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Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is standing by in the MuggleCast news center with this week's top Harry Potter news stories. Micah?

Micah: I don't even have time to thank you, Andrew.

Well, it was a week ago today that we received the international trailer for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and later in the week received a full theater version that debuted on Yahoo. You can check out the trailers as well as a handful of new screenshots from the film over on

Speaking of trailers, another new trailer has been released, but this time it is for the upcoming Order of the Phoenix video game. It is available for download. The game will be released on June 25th. has posted a review of the brand new Hogwarts LEGO set as part of their new Order of the Phoenix collection, due out in May. You can watch a video review and see some great pictures over on

TIME Magazine has a new article discussing the villains of this summer's movies. Dolores Umbridge is, of course, one of those listed, with the following being said:

"As Dolores Umbridge, the bureaucrat from the Ministry of Magic in this summer's Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Imelda Staunton is a little bit priestess, a little bit villainous. Staunton, the latest in a line of top British thespians to visit Hogwarts, found it a tough balancing act. She said, ‘The character has to be ridiculous and yet real and frightening. She has to be silly and yet not cartoony. It's difficult to gauge.'"

And speaking of TIME Magazine, they are currently running a poll asking who the most influential people are in the world. No one person will be selected, but the results are based on an overall vote influenced by site visitors. JK Rowling is one of 202 nominees, so go vote for her now. As of today, the Harry Potter author ranks in at No. 9.

And speaking of Jo, she was honored with a 2007 Rave Award. The award, given to 22 distinguished people, recognizes those who "before changing the game in technology, business, or culture, they first changed themselves." The award ceremony took place Friday night in San Francisco, but Jo unfortunately could not attend.

July 3rd, 2007 has been confirmed as the date for the UK premiere of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. The US premiere will take place on July 8th. The venue is rumored to be in Los Angeles. Furthermore, it's alleged that a premiere is scheduled for June 28th in Japan.

Finally, Bloomsbury has employed security measures for the release of Deathly Hallows. The British Harry Potter publisher has revealed some of their security measures to ensure the magic of Deathly Hallows is maintained until July 21st. According to The Scotsman, the book will only be delivered to bookshops one day prior the release and they will be sealed in crates bound by steel chains. Furthermore, security guards will be deployed to printing plants, and Amazon has agreed to store its copies in warehouses at secret locations.

That's all the news for this April 29th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Alright. Thank you, Micah.

Virginia Tech

Andrew: We're going to start off the show with a little serious note.

Laura: Yeah. We kind of wanted to take a moment, since we did take a break last week, to address the tragedy at Virginia Tech. As former, current, and soon-to-be enrolled college students it really is a horrible realization that something like this can happen on a campus, or anywhere else. Really, I mean, what did you guys think of it?

Andrew: It was just - Yeah, it was just absolutely terrible.

Ben: I just couldn't believe it, you know?

Andrew: Yeah, and...

Ben: It was shocking.

Andrew: And immediately everybody thinks back to Columbine, and this was all very devastating. But even, you know, the magnitude.

Ben: The video was...

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Ben: That was terrible. They gave the guy exactly what he wanted, which is the problem that I had with it.

Eric: Yeah. I agree, Ben.

Ben: You don't put those videos on air.

Andrew: Right, right. Well, I'm sure NBC got a little...

Ben: Kickback.

Andrew: Kickback. Well, no not a kickback, but you know, they benefited from it.

Ben: Yeah, because CNN - Everywhere had the NBC watermark in the corner.

Andrew: Right. But anyway, Micah came up with a good idea that he suggested to us earlier this week, that we put a little Virginia Tech remnant in the album art this week, to recognize those who were lost in the tragedy and to show our support for everyone trying to get...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: ...through this time right now.


Andrew: So, we have quite a few announcements to get to. First, Jamie is off the show.

[Dramatic pause]

Andrew: For a month.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Got everyone excited for a second. He was actually at Electronic Arts today to report for MuggleNet and MuggleCast about the new Order of the Phoenix video game coming out, and he has to finish up school for the next month and he's busy with that. So, he will be off the show for some time. I just want to let everyone know now before we start getting any e-mails - [In a crazy voice] "Ah! Where's Jamie! I think he's funny! I think he's..." You know?

Ben: British.

Andrew: "A good co-host, and British, yeah."

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Andrew: So, if anyone wants to share some gossip about him? Anyone got some gossip about Jamie?

Ben: About Jamie?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, he actually made the train this time.

Andrew: Yeah, he did. Good point, Laura. He was on a train today and he did make it. We weren't going to bail him out of this one.

Ben: Actually, send your donations to Jamieisawasteofspace2@gmail.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Just kidding. Don't send your money.

Laura: Also, everybody, Micah is not here this week and that's because he's been pretty upset of the lack of updates on Jo's site, so last I heard, he was on his way to Edinburgh to have a little chat with her.

Andrew: [laughs] He seriously IMs me everyday and says, "Why hasn't Jo made an update? Why hasn't Jo made an update?"

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And it really gets to him more than anyone else...

Eric: I think Micah's got a crush.

Laura: Yeah.

Wanted: MuggleCast Audio Editor

Andrew: Also, I just wanted to make a note that we are looking for an audio editor. Someone who can start editing the show this summer just for, like, a month, or two. What I need - What we need is someone who can take the show, take the five audio tracks that we all record, put them together, and clean it up; take out everyone else talking, take out all the - not inappropriate stuff, but stuff that really can't go on the show.

Laura: You can say it. The inappropriate stuff. [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. No, we're looking for someone with experience who is very good at audio editing. You've heard the show, so you know what we are looking for. So, for like a month or two over the summer I need someone who can edit the show because we are going to be very busy. So, e-mail me at andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com if anyone is interested. And hey, there might be a little kickback your way...

Eric: Yeah, like a shirt.

Andrew: ...if you help us out. You know what I'm saying?

Ben: Also, I'm going to be very busy over the summer so I am looking for somebody in the Wichita, Kansas metro-area to do my laundry.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: So, [laughs] e-mail me at ben at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

Andrew: A little kickback for that, too? Or...

Ben: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] You can hang out with me.

Eric: If you need guidance and...

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: You can handle my undergarments [laughs]

Eric: If you need emotional guidance from that suggestion that Ben just made, you can contact any of us and we will be happy to help you through this tough time.

Prophecy 2007

Andrew: And also if you checked up on the site within the past week or so, we are going to be at - not LeakyMug - we're going to be at Prophecy 2007. We've sort of been hinting at it for a while. We've said we're going to be probably going to Prophecy. And now it's official and we've got all of the details worked out. We're going to be doing a midnight podcast.

Ben: It's going to be sweet.

Andrew: Podcast at midnight.

Ben: Oh my gosh.

Andrew: That's past my bedtime. That might be a problem for me. But we're going to be doing that. It's going to be a lot of fun. Ben, you're excited?

Ben: Oh my gosh. I thrive at night. I'm a night owl. [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] You are.

Ben: Love it. I love it.

Andrew: [laughs] So, that's going to be a great new spin to the whole live podcast thing that we do.

Laura: The question, you know - A lot of people have been asking, are we really going to wear pajamas?

Andrew: Yeah, I don't see why not.

Laura: I think we should.

Ben: Well.

Laura: I think we should.

Andrew: Ben, what's your problem with it?

Laura: Appropriate pajamas, Ben.

Ben: I sleep in the nude, thank you.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. You've said too much. So visit for more information on that. It's going to be a lot of fun. And I think registration - You can still register.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: I'm sure they're running out of spots. The Yule Ball is going to be a lot of fun. Excuse me, the Decade of Enchantment Ball. They just got 250 more spots. So, this thing's going to be huge. I can't even believe it.

Ben: Huge.

Pickle Pack

Andrew: Also, Ben. Okay.

Ben: Yes.

Andrew: It's time now for our big announcement of the show.

Ben: Oh, geez.

Andrew: We've been working on it for...

Ben: Nobody told me.

Andrew: It's been in the Writely. Seriously?

Ben: Oh. Yeah. Oh, I know.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Nevermind, I do know.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Ben: I'm kidding.

Andrew: What did you think I was going to say, Ben?

Ben: Oh, I just got you guys good.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I knew all along.

Andrew: Alright. So, Ben, we've been working on something for a while now. I mean, with all of the trips we're going to be doing over the summer; with all of the live podcasts and such that we're going to be doing, we need money. And we were selling t-shirts for about a year. And...

Ben: We can't do that anymore.

Andrew: Right.

Ben: So, there's a bit of a problem here.

Andrew: Right. But we've come up with a solution.

Ben: A solution. What is it, Andrew? It's pickles again.

Andrew: It's pickles. We're going for a pickle kind of solution.

Ben: It's pickles.

Eric: And Peter Piper picked a peck of peckled pickled peppers. Pickled - pickle - pickled peppers.

Andrew: You know what? Did you say, "pack" in there?

Eric: No, there was a peck, though.

Ben: A pack of pickles.

Andrew: Because today we're introducing the Pickle Pack. Which is a brand new membership, so to speak, to MuggleCast. We'll still be doing the regular shows every Sunday. We'll still be doing the hour-long episodes that you've come to know and love with all the humor and great content that you guys all enjoy. But we're starting something new at, which is a - How do I want to put it? A membership, it's a membership to MuggleCast. But what you get is a bunch of new, bonus material.

Ben: Bonus content.

Andrew: Bonus content, right. Ben, can you explain what people are going to be getting?

Ben: Essentially, here is what's happening. You're paying us for a subscription to this website. And with this subscription - In addition to the subscription, you get a free t-shirt mailed to you, and you get a lot of bonus content. Now, when we say bonus content, you're probably thinking, "Guys, you're being really vague here. What is bonus content and why would I buy?" Okay. Here's why: You get video blogs for each of us, special episodes, a hint at what's to come with MuggleCast. So, basically, you get previews of things. You get all the stuff that you normally wouldn't get.

Andrew: If you're a hardcore MuggleCast fan, you're going to want this. Each day one of us is going to be making a new blog post, which we're calling, "Blickles." And everyone's going have an assigned day of the week. So, say Laura's on Monday, she'll be posting whether it's a written blog or a video blog. And these can be about anything. They don't even have to be about MuggleCast. But then also we're going to have the inside content, like Ben was mentioning. We're going to throw some bonus stuff in there. Okay, we've been holding to this map that Jamie drew of the United States for quite a while now.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It's probably one of the funniest things we've ever seen in our lives.

Ben: Do you still have that?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, I still have it.

Ben: Oh, awesome.

Andrew: Jamie probably doesn't want that to get out but it's going to get out. [laughs] Micah has some audio content, we're going to be recording lots of extra stuff, we're going to have bloopers, bonus segments, all kinds of stuff. So visit for more. I have 600 Pickle Pack t-shirts sitting here in my room right now, and we need to get rid of every last one of them. One of the first videos going up on is going to be a video of me and my brother, Ryan, modeling off the Pickle Pack t-shirts. So, Ben, how can people sign up for Pickle Pack?

Ben: You can sign up for Pickle Pack by visiting, well, Those of you who already have an account on MuggleNet to make comments on the news, you're already a step ahead of the game here. You just go to, log in, and it will ask you to enter your payment information and Andrew will send you a t-shirt.

Andrew: Right. And it is also going to be coming with a nice little letter that Laura wrote up.

Laura: Yeah, that's right.

Ben: Yeah, the cost is only $30 per year. That includes shipping and handling domestically. We are still working out a system for international orders right now, but it may be slightly more depending on your location and all that, so stay tuned for that. So yeah, go - And remember, all proceeds from the Pickle Pack go to support the show. As we've said before, we have movie premieres this summer we need to go to, we have Harry Potter conventions, and our parents aren't just giving us - they just aren't giving us enough allowance.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: So, we...

Andrew: I've done all my chores.

Ben: We need all of your help.

Andrew: Yeah, we are serious when we say every last dollar of this is going to be going to - into the podcast, into the expenses that it takes to do these live shows. And you are going to be getting your money's worth. There is going to be at least - at least - ten new things going on every week. So, I mean, this is definitely worth the money. Plus you get a free t-shirt. You know, so it's going to be great. For more information visit

Ben: We are only going to be taking sign-ups until June 16, so that gives you basically a month and a half to get signed up. Get your Pickle Pack t-shirt. Go down in history as a member of the Pickle Pack.

Andrew: Exclusive, elusive, MuggleCast Pickle Pack. And then we probably won't be taking sign-ups again until probably next year. So, you know, now is the time to get into the Pickle Pack. And again, all the money will be benefiting MuggleCast. And we appreciate everyone signing up very, very much as you will see in the nice letter Laura wrote up.

Laura: Mhm.

OOTP Trailers

Andrew: Now that we got that out of the way it is time to talk about the trailers because we got two trailers within the past week, even. So, which one, do you guys want to start with the international trailer?

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Since we got that one first?

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: Let's start with that.

Andrew: Alright. Initial thoughts, boys and girls.

Ben's Thoughts

Andrew: Who wants to start?

Ben: I want to start. I really do.

Andrew: Okay.

Ben: Okay. I am so pumped for this movie. You have no idea how pumped I am after watching these things. Because I remember back when Prisoner of Azkaban came out, I remember sitting at my computer - we had one family computer, I didn't even have a laptop back then. I was sitting at the one family computer just watching the trailer over and over and over again. And I just got more and more excited. I remember going into the theater and sitting there and getting all antsy, you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Antsy in my pantsy at the screen. It was, it was great. And, after seeing this, it was comparable to having that all happen again. You know, being basically a virgin Harry Potter fan. You know, being exposed to it for the first time. And I just - I am really excited for this film. There are a few things I noticed in the international trailer. Something that I really liked was when Umbridge just busts the people making out. I mean...

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: ...that's something we've never seen before - people just snogging each other in the hallway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, and I also liked when Fred and George - that scene with the fireworks and stuff as they're flying over the Great Hall. That was really cool.

Voldemort In King's Cross

Ben: But the one thing that just really confused me that I'm still having a hard time understanding, is why was Voldemort in a suit? Does anybody know?

Andrew: [laughs] Laura, you had a good idea about this, didn't you?

Laura: I can't remember specifically where it was in the book, but I remember at one point - I think it was in Order of the Phoenix where Harry remarked and made some kind of comment or a joke about Voldemort hiding behind a dust bin in the street or something and leaping out from behind it or something, and I almost kind of took that as an interpretation, and the suit almost being so many people denying that he was back, that he could be standing in the middle of Platform 9 3/4 in a suit, and no one would notice.

Eric: Exactly.

Laura: And I'm pretty sure it's a nightmare.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, there's no way it's not.

Eric: It's definitely a dream sequence-type thing.

Ben: That's a good point, though, Laura.

Eric: Harry just kind of fades in and out.

Andrew: You think this is Harry having a nightmare? Because isn't this right before he's about to get on the Hogwarts Express? Don't you think he might be zoning out or something?

Laura: Well, that could be - it could be a daydream or a nightmare or something.

Ben: Or Voldemort's getting inside of his head. Voldemort put it there. Hm, interesting, though.

Andrew: What if after the close-up of Voldemort in the suit, it cuts back to Harry and he squints at him closer or something, and...

Ben: It turns back into a normal person or something.

Andrew: Yeah, it's like Malfoy or something.

Laura: That would be really cool. I think that would be great interpretation.

Ben: At least it's not a shrunken Jamaican head.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: That's the way I look at it. [laughs]

Laura: I liked the shrunken head. [laughs]

Ben: [Jamaican accent] Hey, man!

Andrew: That was Cuaron's touch.

Laura: That guy was awesome.

Andrew: I enjoyed that very much. I liked the suit.

Eric: I want that suit.

Andrew: I might be getting that for prom. Still don't have a date yet, e-mail me at andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Corny Lines

Ben: Moving on to the trailer, Ron has a really corny line, and I think that it's going to be one of those lines that everybody's thinking, "Why did he just say that?" Because every movie has a really corny line. In Goblet of Fire was when Harry walked into the tent, and he just turns around and goes, [imitates Harry] "I love magic."

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: And it just - "Oh, did he just say that? Did he just say that?" That's what you think. The line in the trailer was, [imitates Ron] "Who are you and what have you done with Hermione Granger?"

Andrew: Oh, I thought that was good! I don't think that was very corny.

Eric: No, it was a good line.

Laura: I thought it was okay.

Andrew: It is kind of cliche.

Ben: I thought it was too cliche for my taste. I'm just having a hard time with the sincerity of the acting, you know?

Eric: With Ron? Or Rupert.

Ben: Not with Ron.

Eric: I - geez.

Ben: In that scene, I had a problem with Emma. And, I know, shocking.

Andrew: [Gasps] Ben!

Ben: I love Emma. I love Emma. Emma, I love you. It's just the way she said, "Breaking rules is fun, isn't it?" It just didn't sound like she was in the role, like she was Hermione. It is taken out of context, but in that part it just didn't sound like she was Hermione, you know? That she was being Hermione.

Eric: But thus far in the movie series we haven't really seen - I mean, we've seen a booky Hermione Granger, maybe, in the first movie, but it's never really been important. What's always been more important is, "Does my hair really look like that from behind?" kind of a fashion-sense thing. They've made Hermione more of a girly girl.

Ben: More superficial, basically.

Eric: More superficial, exactly. So, for Ron to say, "Who are you and what have you done with Hermione Granger?" Yes, it's funny, but only for those who've read the book and actually have an image of a booky, intelligent Hermione Granger. Because those who've seen the movies, I mean...

Ben: [laughs] Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: So, in a way it's almost ironic, too, because...

Eric: Yeah, I think they should have been a bit more careful before drawing that contrast because there's nothing in the movies to support that line and make it funny at all, really.

Ben: Yeah. And something about Goblet of Fire was that I really thought that Emma Watson did an excellent job in that movie. I thought it was her best yet, and I'm expecting that same in Order of the Phoenix, just that line was sort of - to me, it was almost a corny moment. Kind of like at Goblet of Fire when Harry and Ron say "I'll write you every day," or whatever and they are like, "No, we won't."

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Ben: It's just sort of - it's just dumb because - Oh, you're friends, you're friends, but you aren't going to bother to talk to each other. I mean, Harry doesn't have anybody but his fat cousin who sits on the couch eating Oreos all day, but he's not going to write to you guys. No, that's not going to happen.

Eric: Biscuits, Ben. Biscuits.

Andrew: Now, I'm a big Alan Rickman fan and I love his portrayal of Snape, but was anyone not amused by him hitting Ron over the head? Because he has already done that, he's already done that.

Eric: Aw, come on.

Andrew: Why is he doing that again?

Laura: But that is part of the thing with these movies. They have these, like Ben was saying, these constant, recurring corny moments, like...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: If you remember back to Sorcerer's Stone, the big thing throughout that was Seamus blowing stuff up all the time. [laughs]

Andrew: Right, right.

Laura: Like ever five seconds he blew something up.

Andrew: That got old quick.

Laura: Yeah, it did. And, I think they just do it for the kids. I think they do it so the kids have something to laugh at.

The Music

Andrew: Yeah, that's true. Let's see. What else do these people want to talk about? I was a real big fan of the music underneath this international trailer.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I just thought it was very powerful and, you know...

Ben: Now who's doing it this time? Is it the...

Andrew: It's not John Williams, correct?

Ben: Dolin? Something Dolin?

Andrew: Yeah. Peter Dolin, I think, or something like that? Peter Doyle.

Ben: Peter Doyle, yeah that's right. Peter Doyle.

Andrew: Yeah, so I was really impressed by that. My favorite part of the trailer, the music at least, is underneath Hermione - underneath Ron's line "Who are you and what have you done with..." It was like, "bum, bum, bum." I just thought that that was really good.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

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