Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast - Episode 9 for October 02, 2005. If you haven't finished reading Book 6 yet, then you probably do not want to listen to this podcast as we do talk about several different spoilers.
Hey, everyone! Welcome to another edition of MuggleCast. I'm Andrew Sims.
Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.
Kevin: I'm Kevin Steck.
Eric: I'm Eric Scull.
Laura: And I'm Laura Thompson.
Andrew: Ben and Kevin are both back from a break. Welcome back guys! Laura and Eric are both on again for another exciting episode. Before we get to anything else...
Ben: Andrew, do you ever get a break?
Andrew: No, I never get a break. Isn't that funny?
Eric: He has to edit this even if he's not there.
Andrew: Isn't that funny?
Kevin: It's true.
Andrew: Yeah, well... I'm happy to do it.
Kevin: And you're getting experience.
Laura: The price of fame.
Andrew: And I'm getting experience.
Kevin: Put it on your resume.
Andrew: Yeah. Anyone want to give me a job? Call me. First let's go to Micah to get you...
[Ben mutters something]
Andrew: Hey! I'm intro-ing Micah. You can't mess with me while I'm intro-ing Micah!
Ben: I didn't mean that.
Andrew: Okay. Micah please take it before I start crying.
Micah: Thanks, Andrew.
Sites for both the world and U.S. premiere of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire have been confirmed. The world premiere will be at the Odeon Leicester Square in London, England on November 6th.
The U.S. premiere will take place on November 12th at the Ziegfeld Theater in NYC, located at 141 West 54th Street NOT Radio City Music Hall. A special Podcast will follow at the Barnes Noble on 66th and Broadway. Listen to our Special Announcement Podcast (transcript) for more information.
Brand-new interviews with Dan Radcliffe (Harry Potter), Matthew Lewis (Neville Longbottom), and Katie Leung (Cho Chang) have been posted on MuggleNet’s Main Page. There are also tons of new pictures from the film and even scans from the Goblet of Fire calendar.
And a grave error has been fixed. After tons of loyal fans hounding Warner Bros. the gravestone, which displayed incorrect information regarding Tom Riddle's ancestors has finally been corrected.
Wrapping up news on Goblet of Fire, HBO will air a “First Look” at the fourth Harry Potter film. They have previously aired first looks at Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, and Prisoner of Azkaban. It will premiere at 9:45 EST, run 13 minutes, and will repeat several times throughout November. Or if you have any of the 5,000 HBO stations, it will air several hundred times throughout the month.
As if there weren’t enough movie news, casting has begun for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Think you’ve got what it takes to play Luna Lovegood? Head over to MuggleNet for all the specifics. And according to the Daily Mail, Imelda Staunton has supposedly been cast as Professor Dolores Umbridge.
In other news, on Tuesday, Arthur Levine, editor of Scholastic, went to Silliman College Master's Tea to talk about the Harry Potter series. He discussed his relationship with Jo and how he knows it won't end following the publication of Book 7.
And congratulations are in order. The second annual Movies.com Movie Site Awards gave MuggleNet it's second win under "Best Movie Fan Site" as chosen by our visitors. Thanks to everyone who voted.
That’s all the news from our News center in New York for this October 02, 2005 edition of MuggleCast. Back to you guys!
Andrew: Holy Moly! That was a lot of news. Eric, I think you had something to say about Micah's hard work.
Eric: Yeah, Micah’s is putting in some overtime there with that news. What I wanted to say is that every Sunday when we release the show, it's always fun to see, but it's not fun at the same time. The first comments on the Main Page consist of: "Hey, it's up!" and "Hey, it's up! I can't wait for the transcript!" And I just wanted to say that we appreciate your anxiety and your anxiousness for the transcript, but we do have a rule on the transcripts. Isn't that right, Andrew?
Andrew: Yeah. That is right. And it is that we do not put the transcripts up for a minimum of three days after the release because we don't want you guys turning...really becoming reliant on these transcripts.
Andrew: So give it three days.
Andrew: You can all listen to it. There's no excuse for waiting.
Kevin: It is a podcast.
Eric: We appreciate it. Because Micah does do the transcripts rather fast.
Andrew: He gets them done very fast.
Eric: He gets them done in a day, a day-and-a-half.
Andrew: Before we started this rule, he would come to me four hours later and say: "Hey, the transcript is done." And I'd say: "Whoa!"
Eric: Yeah. Please, people. It's like "Fourth to post. Yeah. Can't wait for the transcript." And you'll be waiting a while. It wouldn't do good to keep on going and saying that. So, anyway.
Andrew: Right. All right. Moving on. Just a couple of quick announcements. First of all an update on our Live Podcast in New York City. If you want the full details, listen to the Special Announcement Podcast that me and Melissa of TLC did. But just real quick. There's been some confusion. For those of you who have RSVPed via our e-mail address (hp live at gmail dot com) that doesn't guarantee you a seat at the show. Okay. It's a first-come-first-serve basis. So, just because you send me an e-mail and say, "Hey, I'm coming!" - and a lot of people have been saying, "Please reserve three seats for me!" - that doesn't mean you're reserved. So, we will give you an exact time and we will let you know when to come, a good time to come to get in early and make sure you get a seat. There are going to be a couple hundred seats, but there's going to be standing room. And our podcast, we're going to be going out to the entire four-story building.
Eric: Yeah. We're only going to buy like a hundred nametags. [Laughs]
Ben: And if you can't be there, and if you can't be there it's going to be online afterwards. So...
Andrew: And also we're working on having a video version. A TV high school crew actually e-mailed us and said they'd be interested in doing it.
Eric: Cool! Sweet! I'm on TV!
Andrew: Yeah, so I am hoping they can. I'd like a video version. I want to make sure people see me.
Eric: Yeah. We're probably going to have to rotate people too because we can only fit, what? What was it? Twelve mikes?
Andrew: Right. Well, it's going to seven on the panel.
Andrew: And we're going to be rotating people in and out from different sites and such.
Eric: So, when somebody's not on the podcast, the other person can talk to the...throw themselves to the fans. You know...
Ben: Yep. We'll work out the format later. Nothing is set in stone right now.
Eric: Yeah. Anyway, Andrew do you want to do your "Listener Challenge" Update? Or should I do my "Contest" Update?
Andrew: No first, let's have you do your "Contest" Update.
Eric: Okay, currently we have about 13,000 votes for our Contest Finalists and that is pretty darn good. Everything is still up in the air for now. The contest is still open for another week. You can still vote on the Top 25. At which time the Top 3... At the end of next week/the release of next episode we will put up the winners and in the order. But also, this night, at the release of this cast we will put up a list of about fifty others, fifty other kind of semi-finalists that aren't vote-able, but it's a list of others we thought were funny that were not in the Top 25.
Andrew: Now, I think it is time to move on to the Voicemails! Now listen, we don't have a Main Topic this week... What Eric? I mean Ben.
Ben: You skipped the "American Joke of the Day."
Eric: Oh yeah.
Ben: We can't do that. We can't. Oh come on, Andrew.
Eric: All right. All right. Since, since...
Andrew: So, since Jamie is away this week, unfortunately he's very busy getting ready for...
Ben [In fake British accent]: Exams.
Andrew: ...going back to... Right! [In fake British accent] Exams. Precisely. So in substitution of Jamie's "British Joke of the Day" we're going to have Ben's "American Joke of the Day." Lay it on, Ben!
Eric: Which everybody wants to here because Ben is simply not a funny guy at all. So I'm really looking forward to this.
Ben: Okay. Okay. You guys ready for this?
Andrew: I'm ready for this. [Makes noises]
Laura: I'm bracing myself.
Ben: There are actually two of them, really. A guy goes into a restaurant. He's a really heavy coffee drinker and he sits down at the table. The waiter comes up and he says, "I'd like a cup of coffee, have it all black." And the waiter brings back his cup of coffee, he takes one of sip of it and yells out to the waiter and says, "Hey, waiter this coffee tastes like mud." And the waiter says, "Yeah, sir. It's fresh-ground."
Eric: Dude, that's not funny. If he were a coffee drinker...
Andrew: Pun intended!
Eric: Ben, if he were a coffee drinker, he would go to Starbucks, not a restaurant.
Laura: That's a good point.
Kevin: Okay. It is a good point.
Eric: And you can't say there wasn't a Starbucks in the area. Unless he lives next to you in Kansas.
Ben: There wasn't. It was like my town. There isn't a Starbucks in my town.
Ben: Okay, next one. Tow peanuts were walking down a spooky road at night, and unfortunately one was "assalted."
Andrew: I've heard that one before.
Eric: Okay. Thanks, Ben.
Andrew: So guess what guys? We have a special theme this week. It is all voicemails. We don't really have a Main Topic because besides the six billion new pictures that came out over the past week, we really...there are no big stories we want to discuss. However, we have been getting lots of voicemails. So, we're going to get to a lot of them.
Eric: Lots of non-Book 6 voicemails, which was very nice.
Andrew: Yeah, you fulfilled our requests, which is great.
Andrew: So, let's get to those right now.
[Audio]: Hey guys! This is Randy from Cincinnati and I had a question about owl post. If all you have to do to send a letter to someone is tell an owl who to deliver it to, then why didn't the Ministry in its search for Sirius just give an owl a letter for him, then send a pack of Aurors on brooms to follow it? Thanks.
Ben: Well, what I think personally is that we've heard Hermione say several times that we can make objects unplottable, we can make people unplottable. So, it wouldn't really show up on a map, and I doubt an owl would be able to find him at all too. So, from what I've people to discern from reading the books, it seems to me that it makes sense that they're unplottable. Can't find them.
Eric: I think that we've seen how the Floo Network can be interrupted and can be intercepted, and I believe at some point in the books it said that it would be very hard to intercept an owl. I think that an owl is probably a more secure method of communication and I think that they probably have a magical protection so that wizards and things can't intercept them. I think they have a special way to sense where a person is, and they're probably more secure than things like the Floo Network as far as finding people. So, I don't think anybody would be able to track an owl down to figure out where it is going. But as far as how it gets to people, I think that's something that it has built in maybe.
Laura: Right. I think those are some pretty good points. I also think we know how powerful Sirius is just because he's able to become an Animagus at such a young age. I think along with the previously mentioned points, he would have definitely thought of something like that when he broke out of Azkaban.
Eric: Yeah, it is funny because even though Sirius seems to disregard most security, he's always been good when he has needed to be, as far as avoiding things.
Eric: Even Umbridge. So, that's good. Anybody else?
Kevin: Yeah. No, I agree with all the points. Definitely.
Eric: Cool. Kevin you're awesome. You agree with us.
[Kevin and Laura laugh]
Kevin: It's an easy answer.
Andrew: I wish we could get an explanation as to how the owls try to track down the witches or wizards that they are after.
Kevin: I mean...
Ben: JK Rowling, I know you're listening to this. Please answer this question.
Andrew: Yeah, she listens.
Laura: I wish.
Andrew: Come on, Jo. I am calling you out, Jo.
Kevin: I do want to say that I think it's one of those things that we won't see answered until after Book 7 is released.
Eric: Right. Like if she were to write a follow-up book?
Kevin: Exactly. For charity. I think it is one of those small, little tidbits.
Andrew: I'd like to know. I would have fun. All right.
Eric: Next voicemail.
Andrew: Next voicemail.
[Audio]: Hi, I'm Hermione-Asia from Malaysia. I'm 14 and I'd like to say I really like MuggleCast and I hope you get into the New York premiere with PotterCast. Just wanted to ask if you guys are happy about the actors and actresses in the movies, especially Dan, Emma, and Rupert. Keep up the great job! Thanks.
Eric: Well, one of the cool things I think is that I wanted to bring this up a few podcasts back. It was actually the first one. When Ben asked me about bringing things in the books to life. And, I think one of the things about movies is that they really have the power to create imagery for us. We're going to be introduced to Pensieve scene, and all sorts of stuff in Goblet of Fire. Movies can really create visuals and things. So along with that, it didn't just teach us how to say "Hermione" properly, but the movies did a lot for us as far as casting. And because I came into the fandom with the First Movie, my characters have always been skewed in my mind towards the movie characters. Like Alan Rickman's Snape and things. So the Trio is pretty close to what I imagine when I read the books as a result of that. But I wanted to say I don't think I can see anybody else being in the movies as the Trio. It would just be weird because the movies kind of established those three as them. And they went off the books, so it is close. And I don't think I can see anybody else doing that.
Andrew: I remember Chris Columbus (who was the director for Movies 1 and 2) wanted to have Haley Joel Osment be Harry Potter. And Jo said, "Well, no because he's an American actor. And I only want British actors in the movies." And I really glad that's what happened and JK Rowling didn't let Chris Columbus get in the way of that because Haley Joel Osment would have been a terrible Harry Potter.
Kevin: Especially looking at him now.
Andrew: He's too...
Eric: Well, I think...
Andrew: He's got blonde hair!
Eric: Yeah. I support JK's decision on the basis that he wasn't British. Even now when they are casting things, all these kids in America and all these Americans want to be extras and stuff. And it's just not practical. I like how they've kept a British cast even for the teachers too. I'm not going to comment on Haley Joel's acting because I liked some of his movies, but I'm just going to say that I support JK's decision on the basis that he was American.
Andrew: He is 15. So the age difference wouldn't be a big deal.
Ben: I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!
Kevin: Well, what do you think about the possibility that the actors will be rotated out? Do you think it is plausible?
Laura: I would really prefer that they didn't, personally.
Andrew: Switching the actors out?
Andrew: Oh, that would be such a bad move.
Kevin: Yeah, but, they've been talking about it since the First Movie.
Andrew: First of all you have these...
Kevin: You can't disregard the possibility.
Andrew: But, think about it. You have these fan bases built up. These huge fan bases. DanRadcliffe.com. Even just websites for that matter. Imagine what would happen if they said, "Hey, we're placing Dan Radcliffe with Haley Joel Osment."
Andrew: Because Dan will do it if they ask him to.
Andrew: Because we're tired of Harry or Dan. He doesn't fit the character anymore.
Kevin: He's too old.
Andrew: He's too old. His eyes are changing colors, his voice is too deep. Something stupid like that.
Eric: Yeah. One of the things about Dan getting older and the Trio getting older and stuff. I don't think that matters. I've always liked the idea of older actors playing younger people because it gives a sense of maturity and age development. Even though Dan is, what? 16 portraying a 14 year old? That's fine because I think it really says something that a 14 year old can be as mature. It opens up a possibility that they can be as mature and as smart as somebody older than them. Which I think, I've always supported that concept.
Laura: Right. And none of the main actors are exactly as I imagined the characters in the books, but I think they have all really grown into the parts. Especially Emma Watson. Even though she doesn't really look like my version of Hermione, I think she has rally improved her acting skills. I think that she's doing a really, really good job.
Kevin: And when you look at the original, the First Movie, compared to the Third Movie, their acting is ten times better. You know? So...
Kevin: You would hope that they would continue to improve and that they would only get better.
Eric: The only thing I want to see from Hermione now, and I don't know if they will let her do it. Some of the stuff hasn't been...for a while she wasn't even in Chamber of Secrets for that much, but one thing I would like...we've seen the emotional side of Hermione, I would like to see more of the book smart Hermione in a way.
Eric: Because she's more emotional and she exists in a way to kind of bind the Ron character and the Harry character in the movies I think. She really needs...I think we need more book smarts and less "Is that really what my hair looks like from behind?" No, I actually liked the line. As for Goblet of Fire... It was cute. It was funny.
Laura: I hated that part.
Eric: It was funny and it was Emma. So I liked it, but at the same time I'd like to see a more book smart Hermione in the books.
Laura: I hated that part.
Eric: And that's not Emma's fault.
Eric: It's a lot of things. But definitely in...and it's funny because she kind of has to be more emotional in the books now or in the future movies because she has to say in Book 5 that "You're yelling at us, Harry! Stop!" But I really want to see some book smarts Emma because that's what I think, what we need out of her.
[Audio]: Hi, Mugglecast! This is Janie in California. I have to say I love your show and I listen to you guys on my MP3 player when I vacuum. And Jamie, I have to say I love your British jokes. Okay. It has always been made clear that Snape dislikes Neville. Maybe even more than he dislikes Harry. Do you think that there is a reason for this since Snape did hear the first part of the prophecy, which could have indicated Neville instead of Harry? What are your thoughts? Thanks!
Kevin: I think it's because Snape, we found out that he is a fairly powerful wizard in Book 6. So we know he has quite a bit of talent, and he looks on Neville as sort of the opposite of what he is.
Kevin: He's the person without talent.
Eric: In Herbology. Right.
Kevin: Yes, he has talent in maybe on section. Herbology, but...
Kevin: ...everything else, he stinks at. And I think...
Eric: I think so too.
Kevin: And I think he alienates Neville because of that. He thinks he's just a spot on the apple of the wizarding world. I guess.
Eric: Haha. No, I think that's really cool!
Kevin: I don't know.
Eric: That's a really good idea. I wasn't looking at it because of the prophecy. He doesn't like him. It's a possibility, but at the same time what Kevin was saying, I like that a lot better also. Now, Snape does know or I'm pretty sure knows that it was Bellatrix and all them that went and tortured Neville's family. So we really can't blame him for being incapable or incompetent. But at the same time, I was rereading the 1st Book, which is why I quoted it last week. But also, if you remember the first lesson with Snape he says that, "it will be an okay class if you aren't the same amount of dunderheads I usually have to teach." And then Hermione was trying to prove she wasn't a dunderhead. He really has this contempt, as Kevin said, for people who can't perform as well as he can. And he's the Half-Blood Prince. He invented his own spells. I think that really brings more insight into why he doesn't tolerate people that are less than him.
Kevin: And before Book 6, he seemed...
Kevin: He didn't seem like he was all that special, but now that you look at him from a Book 6 perspective, you see that he obviously has talent.
Eric: He's incredibly special. And I think it is very interesting, especially in what we can kind of concur about him being jealous of James Potter. Because in many ways, it might not have been at Quidditch, but we're seeing that James and Snape were probably, probably, evenly matched in magical power, if Snape wasn't more. And I think it is interesting that James really treated Snape badly because if it weren't for James' prejudices and if it weren't for the Marauders' prejudices, they would have had a really good friend on their hands. I like what we're seeing of Snape.
Kevin: Yeah. Definitely.
Eric: Except that he killed Dumbledore.
Andrew: Good points. We've got to keep this moving because we've got a lot of voicemails.
Kevin: We do. [Coughs]
Andrew: All right.
Andrew: After all this is our voicemail-themed show. Someone could almost call it a voice-a-thon.
[Audio]: Hey guys! I'm Trevor and here's my question. I just finished reading Goblet of Fire again. And at the end when Harry is fighting Voldemort, Voldemort's spells start coming out in reverse order, except his Dad comes out and then his Mom. But supposedly his Dad died first and then his Mom. So his Mom should have come out first. Do you think this might have a meaning later in the book? Or was it just a mistake? Thanks!
Andrew: Okay. Well, great question, but actually this has already been answered. Thanks to Kevin and Ben and everyone else except me for pointing it out. It was actually answered on JK Rowling's official site under her FAQ Section. I'll just read it right now. "Lily first, then James. That's how it appears in my original manuscript, but we were under enormous pressure to edit it very fast, and my American editor thought that was the wrong way around, and he is so good with catching small errors that I changed it without thinking. Then realized it had been right in the first place. We were all very sleep-deprived at the time." So it was actually a book mistake, and it's nothing more. There's no theories related to it.
Eric: Yeah, that's what Jo says. So, in reality it was that Voldemort killed James...
Eric: ...and made a Horcrux out of him, but it is all an enormous cover-up. Yeah. In this case I will take Jo's word for it because I agree with her and...
Laura: And it was fixed in later editions, right?
Kevin: I believe it was fixed in later editions.
Andrew: It's good. And stuff like that, where it is a book mistake, and people don't know it and it turns into this huge theory discussion. That's terrible. Especially...
Eric: Yeah. That is bad.
Kevin: She has said that she doesn't like theories that are pointless.
Eric: Well, the Mark Evans one was pointless, which was cool. That ticked me off, but I guess it ticked her off.
Kevin: Yeah. Exactly.
Laura: I was very said when I heard that.
Eric: She got her comeuppance by putting Mark Evans in there, and she hated it as much as I did. So...
Andrew: And according to her, she's walking around in a mustache now to avoid people swamping her because of that.
Eric: Jo in a mustache. That would look funny. Don't send us PhotoShop images.
Andrew: I was just thinking that. [Laughs]
Laura: Oh, no!
Andrew: All right. Next voicemail.
[Audio]: Hey guys! My name is Drew. I'm calling from Utah. I'm 24 years old. Great show! My question has to do with Charlie Weasley. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on him? He's barely mentioned in the books. He only appears, I believe, in Goblet of Fire in the Quidditch World Cup and helping with the dragons with the Triwizard Tournament. I wonder if at this time of crisis and war, there is reason why he isn't mentioned more at home. Since Bill is around all the time to help out, I wonder why Charlie isn't around. There could be nothing to this. I just wonder what you have to say. Thanks! Bye!
Eric: Was Charlie the one, no Bill is the one with the long hair, right?
Kevin: Well, Charlie's the one that has had... Yes, he's been involved with the dragons. I think they mentioned him in passing. About him in a different country. Didn't they? I think in Book 5. Am I wrong about that? Book 5 or 6?
Eric: He was elsewhere.
Ben: I don't remember, but I don't think it matters.
Eric: Yeah, but...
Kevin: I'm sure we'll see him.
Ben: He's off training the dragons to fight Voldemort.
Laura: I think that has to be part of it.
Kevin: I'm sure we'll see him, but I'm not sure how big of a role he's going to play.
Eric: Yeah, lately he's been almost as little mentioned as Percy.
Kevin: Yeah, but Percy's one of those characters that sits in the background.
Eric: Yeah. Percy...
Andrew: I think this is one of these characters that people think plays a big role, but really he plays nothing other then just another Weasley brother.
Eric: He'll have something because they gave him Norbert. In the 1st Book, they gave him Norbert. So, he's been there.
Eric: Since the beginning of the books, he's kind of been lingering in the background. Whether he will become mainstream or not remains to be seen. Just like Aberforth, Aberforth Dumbledore. And one funny thing about Aberforth Dumbledore is will she call him "Dumbledore?" Or will she go through the whole book referencing him as Aberforth, so that hopeful fans don't open the book and see Dumbledore's name and say, "Oh my God. He's back!"
Andrew: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
Eric: Which leads us to our next voicemail about if Dumbledore will come back like Gandalf.
Andrew: Well, first let us take a listen.
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