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Jo Makes Book 7 Plans


Micah: You know the woman who writes these books. Didn't she update her site?

Andrew: Yeah, J.K. Rowling. She did?

Micah: yeah, she did.

Kevin: Oh yeah. Whoa.

Micah: She released her plans for Deathly Hallows.

Andrew: Oh, man. Oh my god. We didn't even talk about that.

Laura: Oh my gosh, we suck.

[Laura and Andrew laughs]

Andrew: I completely forgot.

Micah: See.

Andrew: Okay so you Micah, you got a little update again. J.K. Rowling announced her plans for the book release. She will be having her event at the Natural History Museum in London. 1,700 fans will have the opportunity to meet her and have their book signed. The first 500 randomly selected winners will attend the midnight reading and the subsequent signing is expected to last until dawn. So, all night long long she's going to be signing books. 500 books, at least. Right? Or is she signing them for all 1,700?

Laura: Wow.

Kevin: I think all 1300.

Andrew: 1,700.

Laura: Yeah, all of them get it signed...

Andrew: Oh my god!

Laura: ...and then 500 get that reading.

Andrew: Oh my god! Is she serious?

Eric: Wow!

Andrew: What's she thinking?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I would not be the want to be...

Laura: What a way...

Andrew: ...the last in line. Her handwriting's going to be done by then.

Laura: Oh my gosh!

Eric: Well, she doesn't need her hands anymore, you know?

Andrew: That's true.

Eric: That's what it's coming down to. She - they say, "What part of your body can you sacrifice well, no, what can you sacrifice now that you're don't need to write any Harry Potter books," and she's like, "I can do signatures."

Andrew: You know, we're not going to this, so we really can't get that excited, you know. It will be a fun event for anyone...

Micah: Oh, I'm going.

Andrew: ...who attends. Are you, Micah?

Micah: She asked me to sign the second half of the books.

Eric: I'm totally going, dude.

Micah: I'm just bringing a I'm just bringing a stamp with her signature on it and I'm just going to stamp all the books...

Kevin: Oh, okay.

Micah: ... as they go through. That's...

Eric: Dude, that's what those people did to eBay and you saw what she did to them. So, you know.

Andrew: So, apparently Jo really did want to do this. She said on her site that, "I'm delighted that we are launching the book in this way. It'll be wonderful for me to get the chance to speak to people who have already a few chapters while in the queue." So...

Kevin: I think that would be pretty stressful, to be one of those people.

Andrew: That I'd be afraid if something bad happens and they're reading it and then they go to meet Jo.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: And someone spoils it.

Micah: Yeah, that's my biggest concern.

Kevin: Yeah, it's not only spoiling, it's the pressure of having to read the book while waiting for a signature from Jo herself. You know?

Andrew: But could you imagine, though could you imagine...

Eric: From Jo, Yeah.

Andrew: ... the reading it while waiting in line. I wouldn't be able to stay focused on the book.

Kevin: Yeah. No kidding.

Andrew: I'd be like, "Man, I'm meeting her," and you know, and you'll actually get to tell her...

Eric: Andrew, you...

Andrew: ... what you think of the book so far. Which is amazing in itself.

Eric: We know Jo loves the fans. Jo totally does like doing these things with the fans.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It's not that she's been in, you know, seclusion since she's had her kids and writing these books, but she does like doing things for the fans, and that's always been apparent. So, Jo, we're really excited that you're doing this because it will be cool for everyone who's able to go, because we do know that you try and really do stuff for us fans.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: And we thank you.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: And by the way if you want to be on MuggleCast, you are more than welcome.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I don't know, she's one of those people. I'm not too sure about having...

Eric: Just to talk about the book.

Andrew: You know, I think she'd give out too many spoilers.

Eric: Guys, what if she came on MuggleCast one week? We would be we would all be silent. Even I would be silent.

Andrew: No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I would be like, bull crap, what could I possibly...?

Laura: Jo, please don't come on our show.

Eric: For about five seconds, and then I'd think of a question.

Andrew: You would be silent because I would keep you muted.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I would not be able to ask her a question?

Andrew: No, no. Just one, just one.

Eric: I would totally be like I would totally be like, "Jo, do you visit the Caption Contest?"

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You know, sometimes, I wonder if she does listen to this show. We I think she does. I think she does.

Laura: I hope so.

Eric: We don't know. We just don't know.

Laura: I hope she listens to good episodes.

Andrew: Yeah, well, yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: It'd be fair to say she doesn't...

Eric: That's the second hope, Laura.

Andrew: It'd be fair to say she doesn't listen to every episode because obviously she has better things to do with her life, but, you know, I wouldn't be surprised that we did hear that, hint-hint, that she did listen to a few episodes, just to see what the heck we're doing here. Because this is a, you know, this is...

Eric: Yeah, this is pioneering.

Andrew: This is.

Eric: We've got, we've got I mean, there are a large amount of Harry Potter podcasts out there.

Andrew: This is like a book; this is like a free book a free audiobook.

Eric: This is a free audiobook. It's literary discussion for a year-and-a-half, two years.

Andrew: Yeah, it is. Yeah. So, I'm sure she's listened to it, which is pretty cool. But you know any nod would be pretty cool.

Eric: But it could have been a bad episode. She could have said, "That Eric kid talks so freaking much, I just, this show is crap."

Andrew: Sometimes...

Eric: And I could've spoiled it or ruined it for you guys. So I want to apologize in advance if she says that on her site that, "I listened once, but Eric just wouldn't be..."

Laura: I don't' think she would say anything like that.

Eric: "... quiet." No, no.

Andrew: Sometimes, I think it would be a good idea to start spreading rumors about her here on the show to sort of get her attention, and, you know, have her mention us.

Kevin: I don't think she would appreciate that.

Eric: Yeah, maybe that's...

Kevin: Is that...

Andrew: You don't think that...

Laura: Yeah, for some reason...

Andrew: You don't think that? Really?

Kevin: No, I think she'd be pretty angry. Yeah.

Andrew: Really? I thought that would be, you know?

Eric: Yeah if - what if we were to get a British woman...

[Micah laughs]

Eric: ...to pretend to be JKR, and we bring her on and she's, you know, "Hi!"

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And so - what do you think - that would've been an added cool thing to have done for April Fool's. "So why did you kill Harry?" and then have this woman respond.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, well...

Eric: But that's - afterthoughts, you know?

Andrew: It's - yeah, well, we hope she does listen, and we hope she enjoys the show. So, Jo, e-mail us. Okay, so, moving on, let's get to some rebuttals now. The first one comes from J.K. Rowling, 42, of Edinburgh. [laughs] No one finds that funny?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: If you listen to the show: get it, rebuttal. Oh, come on.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]



Listener Rebuttal: Correction on Northern Lights


Kevin: Okay, Shelby:

Actually, in response to the comments made in Episode 91, 'Northern Lights,' retitled 'The Golden Compass,' was not released in March of this year. It was actually released in 1995, the second ('Subtle Knife') was released in 1997, and the third ('Amber Spyglass') in 2000. A lot of fans of these books, like 'Harry Potter,' were hounding Pullman to release them and a few had midnight parties for release as well. If you haven't read these books yet, I recommend they make your summer reading list.

I can hardly read today.

I've been an avid Harry Potter fan since I was 11, but I only recently discovered these books this past semester when I took the Harry Potter's Library class at K-State. The class covered many books that Rowling has been influenced by and that she has been compared to, including the 'His Dark Materials' trilogy. While second to 'Harry Potter' in my opinion, it is excellent, and I recommend it to anyone who's looking for a great series to read after the last 'Harry Potter' book.

Laura: You know, I have a confession to make. I don't remember who it was who said that that book came out this year...

Andrew: Me.

Laura: ...but I knew they were wrong - I knew you were wrong. I just didn't say anything.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Oh, what a likely story.

Laura: I was too lazy.

Kevin: Oh, that's not nice.

Laura: No, because I have read His Dark Materials...

Kevin: I have, too, yeah.

Laura: ...and it's a very, very good trilogy. I love those books and just, for some reason, it didn't even occur to me that...

Andrew: The reason I said that is because I looked right there and it said that it was published in 2007, but maybe that was just a revision or a new edition?

Eric: Probably.

Andrew: I don't know, it said March 2007.

Laura: Maybe.

Eric: Well, wait. Laura and Kevin, if I recall appropriately, around episode twenty-something, you, Laura and Kevin, both of you were going to review these books, weren't you?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, we were going to do the book reviews.



Listener Rebuttal: Swot up on Potter


Andrew: Ginger, 18, from Virginia writes in. She says,

Hi, Mugglecast hosts. I was just wasting time on the Internet and I was checking out the Bloomsbury website. I clicked on the section 'Swot Up on Potter' and entered the Hogwarts express. Outside the window is the building from the back of the DH cover and when you click on it pops up with the title 'Hogwarts Staff.' From that, I guess we can be sure it's Hogwarts. Thank you for your time and I love the show, Ginger.

So that pretty much confirms it.

Laura: Yeah, I guess that confirms it.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Which makes sense, because I'm pretty sure I said on the episode that we were discussing this, that the moonlight was casting a glow on Hogwarts. That's why it was icy; it wasn't a different school.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: But it wasn't made of ice, yeah.

Andrew: So, I was right as usual...

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: ...except for that last rebuttal.

Laura: Yeah, really. [laughs]

Andrew: Laura, you want to do the next one?



Listener Rebuttal: The Symbol


Laura: Yeah, sure. This comes from Shruti? Don't get mad if I pronounce that wrong.

Andrew: That's a nice name. I like that. Shruti.

Laura: Yeah. 17, from [laughs] Austria. I think...

Eric: Vienna's beautiful.

Laura: ...I think it's a she, anyway. She says:

Hey! I love listening to your show and you guys do a great job! Last night, I came up with another theory about the symbol on the spine of the HP7 UK Children's Edition. And before I say anything else, I'm sorry if somebody has already thought of this. I believe that the symbol represents Voldemort's soul. Each component of the symbol represents the number of times he split his soul in order to become immortal. If you count the number of geometrical figures, you can see that there are six (the exact number of times Voldemort split his soul, according to HP6). If you look closely, you will see that there are six shapes: the entire circle, the entire triangle, the two halves of the circle, and the 3 parts of the triangle that are 'outside' the circle. What do you guys think? I would love to hear back from you about this theory. And I hope you understand what I am getting at.

Andrew: I don't know what she's getting at exactly.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But that is a pretty interesting take. So she's saying each one of the Horcruxes could be a part of that symbol.

Laura: Yeah, she's saying that the symbol could represent the different Horcruxes, basically.

Eric: I think it's important to think of the Horcruxes as a function of the number seven, as opposed to the symbol being - you know, relating to the Horcruxes. Horcruxes relate to the number seven. The number of Horcruxes Voldemort have relate to the number seven. If this symbol had six or seven pieces to it, sort of, then it would be cool - possible. But I'm not sure.

Andrew: But, I mean, could each of those shapes in the symbol - each of those six shapes represent something?

Eric: America Online? [laughs]

Micah: It's their new symbol.

Andrew: No, no. Ideas? Micah, any thoughts? Or Kevin?

Eric: This is the fourth podcast I...

Kevin: I think it's definitely possible. But like I've said previously, we really don't know where the symbol is coming from, like any reference. I mean, it could be a rune, but we don't know enough about runes to actually make an analysis of it. So, it could be anything, as far as I'm concerned.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: I think it's safe to say that this symbol could relate to the Horcruxes just because we've recently just found out what the Swedish translation of "Deathly Hallows" is. Which is a great transition into our Main Discussion, right, Andrew?



Main Discussion: The Relics of Death


Andrew: Horcruxes!

Micah: What?

Andrew: Earlier this week... [laughs] Oh, Micah, you're surprised?

Micah: We've never discussed that on the show before.

Andrew: The Swedish translation of "Deathly Hallows" is not actually "Deathly Hallows;" it's actually "Relics of Death." And it turns out, as reported by the Swedish publisher, that J.K. Rowling released this alternative title because "Deathly Hallows" is too hard to translate without first reading the book. So this basically answers what the deathly hallows are - the relics of death.

Eric: The Horcruxes. The relics of death.

Andrew: Which equal the Horcruxes.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So after I made this post on MuggleNet, I sort of did a search on my Gmail for anyone talking about the relics and I came up with this email from Joao, 24, of Anderson, Indiana. It's kind of a long email, but it's very well thought-out. She writes:

I read recently on the internet that one meaning of Hallows refers to the relics of gods, kings, etc. But over time the relics themselves are not considered the Hallows but the gods, or person of importance is considered the Hallow, but in fact the relic or possession is what the true definition, but these relics are so associated with a person that the person is considered this.

This brings me to my point. People have made many theories that the Deathly Hallows are the Horcruxes themselves and I believe this to be true and this is why. Voldemort wants to become immortal - we all know this. But what is the main characteristic of a god? Well the top thing that pops into my head is that they are immortal. These relics, or Horcruxes, are the actual Hallows, but also directly refer to Voldemort himself, as a piece of his soul is in each one, which would give meaning to the theory of a 'god' actually being the 'Hallow.' It would give a literal sense to this definition of the word in its own unique way. Although most of the Horcruxes are probably inanimate objects, they are all in a way Voldemort and alive. Now you bring the word "deathly" into the fray. Just look what the ring did to Dumbledore's hand.

Throughout 'Half-Blood Prince,' it never seemed to get better, perhaps only Gregory House could make a diagnosis on what was eating his hand and turning it blac,k but I think that over time that it could have taken Dumbledore's life or anyone else's. Perhaps the only reason Dumbledore survived as long as he did is because he knew enough counter magic to stop the infestation of guarded magic on the ring to keep from killing him, yet he himself couldn't even cure his hand all the way. We all saw what Dumbledore had to do to get the fake locket Horcrux. He could have very easily died if Harry had not been there, we don't know what would have happened, we only know it was a deathly situation. If one thing is for sure the spell on the ring and the way to obtain the locket were of a deathly manner and these inanimate objects could easily be referred to as 'relics' Deathly Relics...Deathly Hallows...still following me...I knew you would be.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Most people believe that to destroy any remaningHorcruxes, Harry's life will be put in many dangers and either to obtain to destroy the soul itself in each Horcrux, I think explains Deathly Hallows. Perhaps this is all over-simplified and we should expect something bigger or to be surprised what Hallows really means... But if Book 6 and 7 are supposed to be more of a two part series like I've heard JKR say... and the word Horcrux officially came into play in the sixth book, it makes more than perfect sense to me that one of these two books actually be referring to Horcruxes as they are the main theme in the last book and presumably in the seventh book, it's hard for me to believe that the title isn't directly pointing towards Horcruxes.

Kevin: Yeah, I think... Yeah.

Andrew: I think this is a great email.

Eric: Very well said.

Andrew: I really think [laughs] it makes perfect sense. Deathly Horcruxes - the Horcruxes are deathly.

Eric: That said, they have pretty much taken the discussion for us.

Andrew: Well, it's a good way to start it off, because...

Eric: This week's main discussion was brought to you by Joao.

Andrew: [laughs] It basically nails everything. But Laura, there was more that you sort of came up to discuss.

Laura: Yeah. I do have to say that I love the House reference by the way. I'm a big fan of House...

Kevin: Yeah, we're not talking about your...

Andrew: I didn't get it, but I pretended to know what was going on.



Relic: Historical or Sentimental Value


Laura: You don't matter. [laughs] Anyway, so we know that the Swedish title is Harry Potter and the Relics of Death, and I think that we've pretty much established that that confirms that the Deathly Hallows are Voldemort's Horcruxes. I don't think that there is any question about that. Whenever I looked at the definition of "relic," it said that it was an "object surviving from an earlier time, especially one of historical or sentimental interest," which again makes the theory more concrete, I think, just because of the word "sentimental"...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Because all the objects Voldemort would choose would be items that were sentimental to him, you know?

Andrew: Right.

Kevin: Yep.

Eric: Left in context, yeah. What determines a relic and an antique? If it is an object surviving from an earlier time, how much earlier does it have to be? What's the difference between a relic and an antique? Well, obviously a relic has religious or sentimental significance, do you reckon, or is there just confusion there with the words?

Laura: Well, what I was interested about is how much we can flex that definition of a relic. When you talk about an earlier time, what exactly is an earlier time in these books? Is it something ancient, like from the time of the founders?

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Or can an earlier time be the first war for instance?

Eric: But it does have to do with a founder or a deity or an entity of some sort. As Joao said to us, some kind of a god or immortal being the hallow placing one's self, or the relic actually is considered part of that person, if I read that correctly.

Laura: Yeah but what I'm saying is from this definition, can we kind of determine what time period the relics would come from?

Micah: Yeah. No, I think that is a good idea. I think that the time frame I would pick would probably be from the founders, because that's what we're still left to sort of explore. As far as the remaining Horcruxes, we know about the cup. We know something of Ravenclaw's and possibly something of Gryffindor's, so that would make perfect sense to me that we'd be talking about a time period where these founders existed and items of their possession is what Harry will probably have to look for.

Eric: And...

Laura: Is it possible though that Dumbledore was maybe a little off, like maybe there are a couple of items from the founders, but not necessarily...

Eric: Well, I was going to say that that's the direction that Dumbledore was pointing Harry in, so that is why I am accepting it as pretty much on the right track, but that doesn't mean that all of Voldemort's Horcruxes are relics. I mean if you say Dumbledore told Harry that Nagini was probably a Horcrux...

Laura: Well, they're relics to him though...

Kevin: Yeah, I was just going to say that...

Micah: Right.

Laura: Not necessarily something you would consider treasure...

Eric: well, Nagini is not even a relic, necessarily...

Micah: No, no, not true.

Andrew: Well...

Eric: Nagini is a reminder of his - no, no - Nagini's a reminder of his heritage, but not a relic. And not even a relic to him.

Laura: Well, he had Gaunt's ring, I mean, clearly that was important to him...

Eric: The diary was just a reminder of what was once... Well, the diary wasn't a relic. It wasn't a special diary. He bought it at a second hand store...

Micah: Well no, hold on, no.

Andrew: So, that proves Laura's point.

Micah: Hold on.

Laura: The diary was special, though, because he poured his soul into it.

Kevin: Yeah, but...

Laura: He made it into a relic.

Micah: It says "of sentimental interest". The diary was of sentimental interest, so could be Nagini.

Andrew: To him.

Micah: Yeah.

Kevin: And Nagini is definitely...

Eric: Okay, okay so, but that's obviously a very contemporary relic or a contemporary piece.

Micah: Well, that's why it says historical or sentimental.

Eric: So, why did he mention about it being - oh, okay. Historical or sentimental.

Micah: So I think then, if you use both of those descriptions you can fit all of the remaining Horcrux possibilities into either of those categories.

Eric: Okay, but I'm saying, you know, when Laura was about to question if all the Horcruxes were relics of the founders, you know, with Nagini and the diary, they're obviously...

Laura: Well, I mean all the remaining ones.

Eric: ...very living, very current - well, okay. If it is, I mean, they don't have to be.

Laura: Well, I've found something somewhat interesting, and it does seem to be kind of a stretch but I was, you know, going through - I was actually at Dictionary.com and I was looking up all of these new wonderful words that we've been given recently.

Andrew: [laughs] Relics. And Relics.

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