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Show Intro


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Andrew: Because Jamie is back on the show this week...

Jamie: Enough said.

Andrew: ...this is MuggleCast Episode 94 for June 12th, 2007.

[Intro music continues to play]

Andrew: Alright, last week we had three co-hosts, now we have a pretty big show. Jamie's finally back.

Jamie: Yeah. Glad to be back.

Andrew: It's about time.

Ben: Hold on a second, where was--who was the three last week? Who were the three?

Andrew: It was me, Laura, and Micah. Don't you listen to the show?

Jamie: Yeah, Ben, don't you? Come on.

Ben: Oh, of course. I was just kidding. I was just clarifying for the fans, guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Ben's also back, not that anyone cares at this point.

Ben: Ouch!

Andrew: But Ben is back, and...

Ben: That hurts, Andrew.

Micah: I care, Ben. I care.

Andrew: I'm sorry. This is just a whole big group. Jamie, I got an e-mail this week.

Jamie: Yes.

Andrew: Not everyone's so happy about your return.

Jamie: Oh no.

Andrew: It says, "Jamie on show next week," that's the subject line, and it says, "I don't think Jamie should be on the show next week. I'm enjoying it without him. Andrew, if you ever leave the show for a month, I'd probably cry. See, I'm crying just thinking about it. You're always my favorite." What do you have to say to Sarah?

Ben: Does this person happen to be from Medford, New Jersey?

Andrew: No, it's not.

Jamie: Who's it from? Who's it from?

Andrew: It's from Sarah. Just from Sarah.

Jamie: Yeah, who's what? From where?

Andrew: It doesn't say anything. It was just from Sarah.

Jamie: Well, Sarah, if you're too scared to even put your name and, you know, where you're from, I couldn't even begin to respond to such a sort of anonymous threat. I mean, [laughs] I only respond to people who are clever enough and brave enough to put their credentials down. So if you ever feel like actually providing an adequate response, email me, jamie at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Or if you're too scared to do that, you could email Andrew and talk about me behind my back. Feel free. Thanks Sarah.

Andrew: Actually, she said in the PS she was just kidding.

Jamie: Oh. Did she?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Sarah, I hate people who put their credentials down. I just like anonymous, cool responses from people called Sarah, which is a beautiful name, in fact. I bet you're a beautiful girl. A beautiful name for a beautiful girl. And I like your e-mail address, as well, so if you ever feel like, you know--I can't think of anything to say. Did she really put PS?

[Hosts laugh throughout]

Laura: Keep digging, Jamie.

Andrew: Anyway, yeah, that PS was real.

Jamie: Oh, this is such a joke. I'd like to make it known for the record that this was a massive elephant trap. I've just been put right into this. So yeah.

Andrew: Anyway, Jamie's back in the United States, and it's the only way...

Ben: We have him here in the studio this week.

Jamie: Yeah, here in the MuggleCast studio this week.

Andrew: This is the only way we could get him back on the show, unfortunately.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: This is what it's become. But anyway, we got a big show for everybody this week. Lots of co-hosts and lots of stuff to discuss. I'm Andrew Sims.

Ben: I'm Ben Schoen.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

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News


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week's top Harry Potter news stories. Hey Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks, Andrew. Of course, the big news this week, Scholastic has released the cover art for the deluxe edition of the American Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows:

David Saylor, Vice President, Creative Director, Scholastic described the art: "Set during a highly dramatic sunset, Harry, Hermione, and Ron--clothes in tatters--cling atop a flying dragon in this astonishing artwork created by Mary GrandPré for the deluxe edition. As mist creeps down towering hillsides to a village below, questions arise about where the trio is headed and what has led them to this spellbinding moment."

The book will contain 816 pages compared to 784 pages in the regular edition and will cost $65; 100,000 copies are being printed.

Speaking of Mary GrandPre, The American Harry Potter illustrator recently spoke in an interview about her coveted job and a little about the Deathly Hallows cover. On whether people pester her for inside info on the books, Mary says: "Not really so much. I think people just know that I can't talk about it."

She says the cover of Book 7 is probably her favorite and thinks "It's fun to see the reaction from people. The fans that are really diehard fans look very closely at the artwork.

"I try to make everything have a meaning," she says, "There is a reason why something is in the illustration. I don't just put it in because it looks better. It really does have to have a meaning or part of the story has to support it."

And in a new interview, Harry Potter movie producer David Heyman discusses how he "can't wait" for the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. On his life post-Potter, he says:

"It's a combination of sadness and excitement, I think—for Jo, and for all of us. This world has become a huge part of millions and millions of people's lives. We all love it so much, and I think, afterward, there will be a little hole in our lives for a while."

But not everyone is crazy for the release of the seventh book. A new article examines how some major retail chains have implemented huge discounts for the last Harry Potter book, causing them to earn minimal profit. According to the article:

"They are literally not going to make one penny out of the book. It is stupid -- just throwing money away... The world has gone mad."

From book to movie news, Electronic Arts and Warner Bros. Digital Distribution have announced a Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix video game specially designed for mobile phones. The game is being developed at EA Mobile's UK studio and is expected to be available from UK cell providers beginning on June 15. The game won't be available in the US, however, until June 26.

And from July 6th through July 8th, ABC will air the first three Harry Potter films, and feature never-before-seen clips from the Order of the Phoenix film. Sorcerer's Stone will air at 7:30 PM ET on the 6th, Chamber of Secrets at 7:00 PM ET on the 7th, and Prisoner of Azkaban at 5:00 PM ET the following day.

Finally, MTV has released an article covering all aspects of the growing music genre in the Harry Potter fandom known as Wizard Rock.

The article mentions well-known bands such as Harry and the Potters and Draco and the Malfoys. It goes on to say that wizard rock has become its own genre.

That's all the news for this June 11th, 2007, edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah.

Micah: No problem, Andrew.



New Theme Park


Andrew: Okay, so the big news this week - thankfully, because we didn't have a main discussion--was the deluxe United States cover art came out today, Friday, although the show will be out later in the week. And we will be talking about that in a minute, but first we wanted to get everyone else's reactions to the theme park, specifically, Jamie, Ben, and Eric. Jamie, what are your thoughts on this new theme park? As someone who lives in England, will you be going to the theme park?

Jamie: Well, it's in America, isn't it?

Andrew: Right.

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Ben: Yeah.

Jamie: Well, I probably won't be making a special trip out to go to it, but I think it's a cool idea, but it's quite a big thing just for Harry Potter, you know? I mean, I wouldn't ever see a Star Wars theme park, but I'm sure there has been one and someone is going to email in and say that there's a big famous one.

Andrew: There's been rides.

Jamie: There's been rides, but there's a huge difference...

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: ...between doing an entire theme park based on Harry Potter and based on one ride. And after Harry Potter dies in five years, and I'm sorry to everyone, but it is going to, eventually, it may have this four hundred million dollar theme park. What are they going to do with it?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Oh, I don't think that's an issue.

Andrew: Do you think most foreigners would be interested in coming over to Universal Studios to visit the theme park?

Ben: I'm sure that there's going to be some like crazy, wild fans who would do it.

Jamie: I think some will, yeah, because I mean, some people go over to see Equus in London for a special trip - not that you're a crazy wild fan if you do that, because it's absolutely awesome, but...

Andrew: The American fans are a little crazier.

Eric: That's a really good point, Jamie.

Andrew: Eric, you travel to New Zealand, so I'm sure you'll be going to the theme park, but...

Eric: Absolutely.

Jamie: Is it worth a special trip? I mean, it's going to be awesome, and you know - how sort of cannon is it going to be? Are we going to go there and see all of the stuff the books, or so they have a huge creative license about it? Where it's going to...

Eric: That's actually the real question, Jamie. And you snagged it right on the head there. How is it going to be? Is it going to be Seamus' slippery slide, or you know- things that actually, you know are there actually...

[Ben laughs]

Eric: ...be a ride - a big roller coaster called 'Lord Voldemort.' Are they going to do that kind of stuff? Or is it going to be kind of... cheesy? Like...

Ben: I think they are going to have to, in order to have it more attractable they are going to have to have rides like 'Lord Voldemort's scary roller coaster.' I mean, that's an excellent name for it, I'm sure that's what they are going to use, but...

[Others laugh]

Eric: But, well, no...

Jamie: I will travel the world to go on that.

Eric: I'm, actually guys, I just built a - I just recently built a Harry Potter theme park in Roller Coaster Tycoon, because I still play Roller Coaster Tycoon.

Andrew: I love that game.

Eric: I love that game. It's the best game ever. Shout out to that! And Chris Sawyer, the creator, but, so I came up with a few ride listings for last weeks show, how I ended up not being on it, I have a whole list of rides I was thinking about, but..

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Basically, there are a lot of names, and a lot of cool that they could do for the books. They could have a big roller coaster called, 'Expelliarmus,' or something. You know? Just something like that. And that is the kind of stuff I would like to see. Being as they're doing Hogsmeade, and I guess you guys discussed this last week, what do you think they'll actually - do you think there will be a sweet shop that they will call 'Honeydukes'? And you'll be able to...

Jamie: Yeah.

Ben: Absolutely.

Andrew: Definitely.

Ben: That will be the best play on the actual series. So, I think it's actually going to be like that.

Andrew: Laura, Micah, and I were talking about the conceptual art for this park, and by the looks of it there weren't many rides in the form of like a roller coaster. It didn't look like there was going to be many big rides.

Eric: Which is upsetting.

Jamie: I think...

Ben: Who's it going to be aimed at? It's obviously a family thing because it's already down there in Florida. So...

Eric: Yeah, but so is Vegas.

Andrew: Yeah...

Eric: Vegas is a family destination, too.

Jamie: No it's not.

Ben: No, it's not. It's not like Orlando.

Laura: No.

Jamie: It's like your four year old son going to and playing poker all night.

Eric: Vegas is seriously the family number one family destination of the world. That is what they are trying to be. That was their image for years... I'm just saying.

Jamie: I thought it was just drunken gamblers.

Eric: Well, it is...

Andrew: It is.

Jamie: And us.

[Andrew and Jamie laugh]

Eric: And us, but...

Andrew: Yeah. Any other thoughts about it? I guess...

Jamie: It's cool, but it's one of those huge projects which you think they've obviously done loads of research into it and people are already going to want it, and you can't spend 300 million if people don't want to go. So, there will obviously be huge amounts of it, and people will go because it is a very novel idea. It's just - it's going to be successful because it has to be, or you can't build on it like that.

Eric: Also, remember J.K. Rowling has been in talks with them since the beginning. Since for years now. That's what the news clips said.

Andrew: It's going to be very real to the books. I think we definitely know that just the question is what kind of rides are there going to be at this point.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Well, didn't one of the papers report that they were keeping some of the rides from what's currently there right now that they were going to try and change them over to be Harry Potter-themed.

Eric: Yeah, that seems...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: They are just going to...

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Take some old roller coasters and try and rename them, like...

Andrew: Yeah, if they can get away with that...

Laura: If they can do it...

Jamie: Space Mountain and call it...

Laura: I mean...

Jamie: 'The Apparition Magician.'

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Jamie: I'd go on that.

Andrew: How does that relate to the books?

Jamie: Well, that's like recycling old things. So, you take - I don't know.

Andrew: I think the purpose of that would be trying to save money because people are still going to ride it. If they took Space Mountain and called it 'Harry Potter Space Mountain' everyone would go on it. Every Harry Potter fan would go on it.

Eric: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, totally.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Eric: I'm not exactly against that idea. I just think they also build some new rides as well. Even if they wanted to go beyond cannon and do some really cool rides, like you know how in the books at least in the early ones Neville is always looking for his toad Trevor? So, I was thinking...

Jamie: Find Trevor's Toad.

Eric: Trevor's...yeah, Trevor's Trail, or something. And just like, you know, you are on this ride and you are trying to find Trevor for Neville, or something. You know? Just cool ideas like that.

Andrew: Laura, did you have an idea?

Laura: Well, I was just going to say that I don't see any problem with them recycling rides. I mean that's kind of what you have to do with these theme parks. That's what they're doing to - that's what they do to create a whole bunch of the stuff you see there. A lot of stuff that was originally part of Universal Studios has been since replaced, and they don't use all of the original parts either. They will put in new stuff, but it is mostly just to use the space.

Jamie: Yeah, definitely.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Well, still. I don't think - if you are going do it, anything worth doing is worth doing right, and especially in Harry Potter's case this park is going to be big and they have a chance to make it really big and really cool. Not just half cool. Not just almost cool. They have a really good chance to - I mean, this is going to be after Book 7 and maybe even after movie 7. They are going to have not much to do, so they can really do it correct. They can do it right.

Jamie: Ok. I have a question. If they had a ride called 'Avada Kedavra'. And you have a 1 in a 15 chance of dying if you went on this ride...

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: ...and it was absolutely awesome; the biggest thrill of your life. It was amazing.

Ben: Would you do it?

Jamie: Yeah, would you do it? I would. I mean, come on. You know?

Ben: I don't know. I like my odds. I like my chances there.

Eric: I would just go... Jamie, I...

Jamie: I would rather it was e 10 to one.

Eric: I would go in groups of 14, though. If there is a 1 in 15 chance of dying I would go in a group of 14.

Ben: If 14 of you went they'll be a 1 in 15 chance of dying.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, yeah. I know...

Ben: It doesn't change that.

[Jamie laughs]

Eric: Yeah, there's a joke in there somewhere. It's just, it wasn't, you know...

Andrew: That would be an easy way to clean up the MuggleNet staff, who all took a trip down here and went on the ride. | [Everyone laughs]



Announcements


Andrew: We just took the group down there, and we all went on that ride. All right, so moving on to a couple of announcements now. Don't forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. It's sort of a new month. June's getting old, but don't forget to vote for us. We're doing pretty well. So, we thank everyone who has voted. Also our National Wear Your MuggleCast T-Shirt Day was a great success.

Ben: As always.

Andrew: We have close to 100 submissions from T-Shirt Day, now up on MuggleCast.com in the MuggleNet Galleries. So be sure to check those out over at MuggleCast.com. Let's see, it's also Spread MuggleCast Month. Did everyone know this?

Jamie: Ummm, no.

Andrew: Jamie hasn't been on the show, so I don't even think he knows.

Eric: What? Like on toast?

Laura: We did.

Andrew: It's Global Spread MuggleCast Month. And on MuggleCast.com there are several avatars and lots other things you can get to help promote the show. As we are getting closer to the book release, so it only makes sense to promote the show more. If you know what I'm saying. So, that's that. Ben, people only have a week left to sign up for Pickle Pack.

Ben: Oh geez, yeah. Remember, Pickle Pack is - if you're a MuggleCast fan you want to join Pickle Pack.

Jamie: You do.

Andrew: I don't see why, though.

Ben: Why?!

Andrew: Because it's called Pickle Pack.

Eric: See you guys, I mean you guys have been listening to us for, you know, however many episodes. Some people have, you know, we've got some new users on there who've been with us since the late 80's, actually. Some very recent listeners.

Jamie: Wow! 25 years!

[Ben and Jamie laugh]

Jamie: That's impressive.

Eric: But, no... But then we've got the other - [laughs] We've got the other listeners who've been with us since, you know Episodes 40 and since the very beginning who are on Pickle Pack. And so the idea is basically, you hear us on the show. You hear us discuss our Harry Potter theories. And so now if you join Pickle Pack you get to hear us talk more about how the show came to be. Some bonus content, some bonus footage, maybe behind-the-scenes of MuggleCast. And also our personal lives. And we do weekly video blogs that we do. And it's kind of, you know, just day-to-day life with us. And it gets you to know the people who are behind...

Jamie: Those are NC17, though. So, you need to be careful when you watch those.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, but - Now, Jamie, so do you want to continue? Do you want to tell them a little more about the blogs? Or just, you know...

Jamie: No, I think you've summed up everything.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Sorry.

Andrew: That's about right. So visit PicklePack.com today and sign up. We're only taking sign ups until June 16th. The cost is $30 for those of you in the US. And then, $50 everywhere else to cover the additional shipping costs for going international.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: So we thank everyone for signing up. It goes to supporting the show for our summer endeavors and the like. Because we're all poor college kids. So that's that. Anyway, a couple weeks ago I promised that my next wizard rock single would be on, what was it? Episode 92? I'm going to play it here on this week's show in preparation for Prophecy 2007. Which is coming up August 1st to the 5th, I think? Or 6th?

Laura: I think it was the 2nd through the 5th.

Andrew: 2nd through the 5th.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Close enough. [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, just August.

Andrew: That's when we're going to be there. I forgot. I keep getting confused. Anyways, I was a little unclear what the wizard rock event at Prophecy is going to be. And Jade, the head of Prophecy 2007, e-mailed me and asked me to clear this up. And she just wanted me to say that - well, from their web site:

"The Common Room Wizard Rock event is a time for Harry Potter fans to gather in the comfort of the Prophecy 2007 Common Room and listen to music inspired by Harry Potter's cannon and fannon. No stage..."

Jamie: Who are they?

Andrew: "No feats and lights, and no AV equipment."

Jamie: Oh that was a good gag. Why aren't you laughing?

Andrew: "Just the musicians and the fans. Scheduled throughout the conference, bands and solo acts: Oliver Boyd and the Remembralls, the Cruciatus Curse, Celestial Warmbottom, and Andrew Sims perform. I'm in the description, Jamie. How cool is that?"

Ben: Wow.

Eric: Dude, you need a name. You need a name.

Andrew: That is my name. Andrew Sims, we'll leave it at that. I mean, you know, you thought Harry and the Potters was big. Look who's in the description, me. Seating is limited, so it's a first come first served basis and you must be a registrant of Prophecy 2007. So, please e-mail commonroom at prophecy2007 dot org for mor details or if you have any questions or comments. Such as, "I'm so glad you accepted Andrew because he is so cool and he should..." Uhhh, I don't know where I was going with that. At the very end of the show today will be the premier of my next wizard rock song. Now, it's a spinoff of 'N Sync's "Bye Bye Bye"...

Jamie: A copy, then?

Andrew: No. No, no, no. It's not a copy. But I had to hire some of their back up artists, back up singers. And they weren't really accepting of changing their background vocals into my lyrics that I needed. So, there's a couple of "Bye Bye Bye" backing vocals in there. But I made it work still because they were being a little hard about that. But anyway...

Eric: You downloaded the karaoke version, didn't you?

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: No, I hired the 'NSync back up vocals...

Eric: Oh, right. Yes. OK.

Andrew: Like Joey [mispronounces] Fat-One and Lance Bass.

Jamie: That's awesome that you know their names.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I called him [mispronounces] Fat-One. It's really Fatone.

Jamie: Oh, oh. [laughs] Yeah, but you still know them enough to even make a joke about it. That really shows - wow.

Andrew: Yeah. I lived in the '90's, didn't you?

Jamie: No, I didn't. I was born in '86, then I died for ten years.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: He skipped the '90's.

Jamie: And then came back to life.



Deluxe Edition Cover


Andrew: All right, so anyway, of course the big news this week the deluxe cover for Book 7 came out today, Friday. The United States deluxe edition. It was big news. Arthur Levine announced it on the Today Show this morning on NBC. He seems to be all over NBC's Today Show these days.

Ben: He is, isn't he?

Andrew: Announcing all this new stuff. Yeah, they're really buddy-buddy. Matt Lauer and Arthur Levine. But anyway...

Ben: Hey guys, sometime we need to talk about Harry being a horcrux. Because I'm really convinced that he is one now.

Andrew: Ben, speaking of that, how has the tour been going?

Ben: The tour has been doing wonderful. We've already been to - geez, we've already had ten events already. And three days ago we were in San Francisco. So, the travel's been taking a toll on us. But, I mean, it's just really fun. I mean, I'm really enjoy the speaking, meeting all the fans. There's Pickle Pack members like crazy. Every one we go to there's at least one or two.

Jamie: Really?

Andrew: Sweet.

Jamie: That's awesome.

Ben: And every time they come up to me and say, "Will you mention me in your Blickle this week?" and I always forget. [laughs] So, we only have about two weeks left on the tour, check www.Mugglenet.com/booktour.shtml and get the link on the website. There's a scrolling ticker and you can see all the dates that we're going to be at here over the next two weeks, so come out and see us. It's a fun time to talk about all kinds of crazy Harry Potter stuff.

Eric: Okay, so guys. Micah, tell us about this cover here. What's going on with this cover, I'm questioning. This new cover art that's released. I like it, what do you guys think?

Jamie: It's nice. It's very sort of Eragon-ish.

Eric: Little bit.

Andrew: It sort of is, yeah.

Jamie: I don't know if it's a bit...

Eric: I...

Jamie: Sorry, no. Go on.

Eric: I was worried at first. I saw it in the small view - the thumb view - and I said is that a thestral or a dragon? Because if it's a dragon, it might as well be Eragon and not Harry.

Andrew: Well, we know it's a dragon because it said right there in the press release.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I actually want to read it. David Saylor, Vice President, Creative Director, Scholastic described the art: "Set during a highly dramatic sunset, Harry, Hermione, and Ron - clothes in tatters - cling atop a flying dragon in this astonishing artwork created by Mary GrandPré for the deluxe edition. As mist creeps down towering hillsides to a village below, questions arise about where the trio is headed and what has led them to this spellbinding moment."

Jamie: Oh my! That sounds like a bad piece of fanfiction, sorry.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: It's like the scarlet, billowing clouds of the Hogwarts express gleamed in the mouthwatering sunshine.

Eric: That was pretty good, Jamie.

Laura: Jamie, you should write fanfiction.

Eric: Yeah, you should. [laughs]

Jamie: Oh no.

Andrew: It's interesting how much detail they went into in just that little description. But there are a couple things we wanted to talk about. For one, we know it's a dragon.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: Yup.

Eric: I think it surpasses the original cover art for the US, like if I were in the US for the time of the book, I would actually get the deluxe edition, wouldn't you?

Andrew: Yeah. I would, but, I mean, there's just something about getting the - quote on quote - classic book that I like.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Having the book without the extra box, just the book.

Ben: Yeah, I agree.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: The deluxe is for collectors.

Laura: I've never actually owned any of the deluxe editions, to be honest. They're really expensive.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: And they used to be very cool when there was only a handful made, but now the first edition stretched for like, 100,000 copies, so it's, you know...

Laura: So, everyone can get one, really, it's not...

Andrew: Half-Blood Prince is the only other US book that had a deluxe edition, so you can't even get a whole set.

Jamie: Which one, sorry?

Andrew: Half-Blood Prince.

Jamie: Oh, because ours are all deluxe. They made deluxe versions of all of them.

Andrew: Right, right, but Scholastic just came up with the idea at Book 5, I guess. I don't know.

Jamie: There comes a point where you're just paying more for the same book.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: With just a pretty cover, which is all nice and all, but how often are you going to just sit there and stare at it?

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Well, I know that I remember that when the Half-blood Prince one came out they were talking about additional artwork, and they had a copy of it out at Barnes & Noble out on display, and I looked and the additional artwork was all the chapter art just blown up bigger.

Jamie: Oh my god.

Andrew: Right, that's one thing you get with it.

Laura: So, it was just kind of a rip, it seemed to me.

Eric: That is a rip. Okay.

Andrew: It's nice, though, for a collector who wants to see the art that Mary made in full detail, if you know what I'm saying.

Laura: Well, yeah that's true.

Jamie: Yeah. Or you could just download it.

Micah: And print it on your printer and hang it up on your wall.

Andrew: Or you can just go to MuggleNet.com chapter - chapter art, don't we have a chapter art page?

Jamie: Yeah, you could.

Eric: Yeah, we do. My chapter art is still on there, I think.

Andrew: You redid it, but we also include all the originals. Which I don't know if Scholastic wants us to or not.

Jamie: It's a bit late now. It's been up there about five years.

Andrew: Yeah. What else do we want to talk about, guys?



The Antipodean Opaleye?


Eric: Ummm, okay so Micah did some - Micah, was it you who did this research here? Or did you get an e-mail that said, "hey guys what about this?"

Micah: No, I did some research. I was reading through the comments probably like most of us were, and seeing what all the fans out there had to say, and they had a bunch of different ideas as far as where the dragon was flying over, and what was going on, and one of the most interesting things, I thought, I think is what type of dragon is this, and a lot of people though, well maybe it's Norbert, maybe we're going back to Book 1 and he's all grown up, and now they're using him for some type of adventure, but based on the eyes that the dragon has, a lot of people said that it's a dragon that's found in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, and I'm going to butcher tis name because I don't know how to say it correctly: the Antipodean Opaleye. Do you guys want me to read the description?

Andrew: That's a good attempt.

Jamie: Antipodean, I think.

Micah: Antipodean?

Jamie: Just to be, yeah...

Eric: Antipodean Opaleye?

Micah: So, do you want me to read the description real fast here?

Andrew: Sure, what does it say in the book?

Micah: It says: "the Opaleye is a native of New Zealand, though it has been known to migrate to Australia when territory becomes scarce in it's native land. Unusual for a dragon, it dwells in valleys rather than mountains. It is of medium size, between two and three tons. Perhaps the most beautiful type of dragon, it has iridescent, pearly scales and glintering, multi-colored, pupil-less eyes, hence its name. This dragon produces a very vivid scarlet flame, though by dragon standards it is not particularly agressive and will rarely kill unless hungry. It's favorite food is sheep, not cow, though it has been known to attack larger prey. A spate..." Is that how you say it?

Eric: Yeah, spate.

Micah: "....of kangaroo killings in the late 1970's were attributed to a male Opaleye ousted from his homeland by a dominant female. Opaleye eggs are pale grey and may be mistaken for fossils by unwary muggles." So I think that people determined that this was an Opaleye based on the fact that the dragon in the picture doesn't have any pupils.

Eric: And that is the point where I confirm that yes, in fact, this dragon on the cover is indeed an Antipodean Opaleye and that Mary Grand Pre actually called me up and wanted to borrow mine so that she could draw it for the cover.

Jamie: Your Antipodean dragon? I mean, your Antipodean Opaleye?

[Jamie and Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah my Antipodean dragon.

Jamie: What, do you keep one in your basement or something Eric?

Eric: Opie. I call him Opie and he's a really cool dragon, he's really beautiful and...

Jamie: You told me he was called Steve.

Eric: [laughs] He's called Steve. Steve, my Antipodean Opal Eye dragon. So, I was up – no actually, seriously guys there's an area about an hour or two north of here, north of Wellington called the Wyrapa, and there's these tall, tall mountains and a very thin valley. You guys might know it from Lord of the Rings, it was the Dimholt. All right, so you guys might – yeah, yeah. So you guys might recognize it from Lord of the Rings, the Dimholt, which is the dark wood. So, right around that area which isthe valleys in this place, the Wyrapa. So, I was just driving up there the other – when I first came to New Zealand and I met, I met Stevie. So, he became my dragon and I was kind of - you know, I'd visit him on weekends and stuff but...

Ben: Okay, but in reality here what significance does what type of dragon it is, hold?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Well, ummm...

Ben: Is the question.

Eric: Micah do you want to continue about, specifically about...

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: ...the antipodes.

Micah: I think the opal eye thing is kind of obvious in its name right?

Eric: Mhm.



The Symbol and the Dragon


Micah: Opal eye. That kind of makes sense. But the other thing I did, was I did a little research. You know? What does antipodean mean, and actually what it says is that "the antipodes of any place on the earth is the place which is diametrically opposite it. So, situated that a line drawn from the one to the other passes through the center of the earth and forms a true diameter." Now, to me, if you take that and you put it into sort of a visual, you take the earth and you put a diameter through it, that somewhat represents the symbol that we saw on the spine of...

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: Oh.

Eric: That symbol. That symbol we've been talking about forever and ever and ever - for the past five weeks.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Ummm...

Micah: And I just think that's too coincidental.

Andrew: Yeah

Eric: It's cool.

Andrew: Especially when you look at...

Laura: Oh, that's interesting.

Andrew: Micah, you pointed out to me earlier this week a screen cap from Goblet of Fire which has something in the movie - maybe you can tell everyone where, at which point in the movie it was again. But it's in the movie and it's an actual sphere.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And there's something going through it right?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Just like you were talking about.

Micah: Yeah, somebody sent in a rebuttal saying if you go to the pensieve scene of Goblet of Fire, right after Harry comes out of the pensieve, he's talking with Dumbledore, Dumbledore goes over to one of his cabinets and in the cabinet you can see what appears to be the exact same symbol as we see on the spine of Goblet of Fire. It's sort of this object...

Eric: Oh.

Micah: ...instrument whatever you want to call it.

Andrew: What is it?

Eric: Which would be a real life version of whatever this is.

Micah: Right, right.

Jamie: I bet it's kind of like, like to draw and X-men reference: Cerebro, you know from X-men. That thing – I bet he can like see where people are on earth. Not a kind of Marauders Map thing, which is you know just in Hogwarts. But, I bet it's something like that.

Eric: So, you really think so?

Jamie: What else could it be?

Eric: Because how would one...

Jamie: Or it's like a Horcrux detector.

Eric: How would one... Well, maybe a Horcrux detector, but what would it do? Whir really – whiz really fast?

Jamie: He bought it at target.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric: So I – wait if it's at all like Cerebro how would you actually plug in? How would Dumbledore, you know, kind of locate things? Or how would one use that instrument if it's just, you know if it's just a triangular object with a sphere and a line through it?

Eric: See. What are it's applications as an object? What do you think it would actually do?

Jamie: This thing? Well, it could do anything I mean the fact that it has two halves perhaps could be like a good/evil reference or, you know, or a good side/bad side, or Voldemort/Dumbledore, or Gryffindor/Slytherin, or you know?

Andrew: That's why a few weeks ago someone brought up that that split could be Snape, good versus evil.

Jamie: Mhm.

Eric: Well, I just like this idea of the Antipodean Opaleye because it made me feel really special, because all of a sudden there's this New Zealand reference, and I'm thinking, "Oh that's where I am and you know where I've been hanging out." And so in Harry Potter there's this dragon that might be the dragon they're riding which is originally from New Zealand. And it's my Stevie, so I'm really happy. But Micah you did some research...

Jamie: Are they paying you royalties?

Eric: Yeah, yeah – oh well I can't really talk about that. Um but...

Jamie: So, yes.

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