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Theme Park Tangent

Micah: Yeah, that's the new theme park. Uh-huh. And speaking of that, okay, I have something to say...

Laura: I heard they were going to use the MuggleNet font logo.

Micah: Talking to Andrew...

Eric: Well, we're in the middle of a voicemail, but go on.

Micah: Yeah, yeah, no, no, hold on a second. This is a little tangent, I'm sorry. But, I was talking to Andrew about it this week, and I mentioned it to Laura too, why would you create a theme park, this countless hundreds of millions of dollars spent on theme park, for a character who's going to die?

Eric: Yeah. No...

Laura: Micah!

Eric: It's fair enough. No, no, Micah asked that question because he doesn't actually think that Harry is going to die. But, no, it's true. And somebody's...

Micah: What? "Oh kids, come on, we're going to the theme park where the character you read about for the last ten years of your life - he kicked the bucket, by the way."

Eric: Yeah. He kicked the bucket, but we're still going to celebrate it. No, and that's the other thing, I mean, there'll be memorial services at 7:00 PM...

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: ...and 7:00 AM throughout the park.

Micah: At Hogwarts, every day.

Eric: You know, there's a big fountain and a leaving - a condolence feast. You know, it's not going to happen. So, Micah brings up an interesting point: is this confirmation that Harry's not going to kick the bucket or that there'll be a slightly happier ending? And [laughs] someone said to me yesterday, I wish I remember who it was, but they said, pretty much, that since it's not Disney World and it is done in the Universal Studios, that they won't have, necessarily, characters walking around, like Chip 'n Dale all the time, like little Dobby or something like that. Do you guys think they'll employ live talent?

Laura: Well, at Universal Studios they do have some live talent, so...

Eric: It's true.

Laura: They might have some people, but that would be horrible if you think about it. Like, you know, at these theme parks...

Micah: Yeah, think about that, how are you going to market that theme park?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: What do you mean, how are you going to market it?

Laura: Harry's not going to die. That's the end. He's not going to die.

Eric: Oh, yeah. [laughs] Yeah, no, it's true.

Laura: But see, wouldn't that be horrible, because you just put the thought in my head, how these theme parks - they have specific shows throughout the day, and what if you can attend Dumbledore's funeral at 2:15, 4:30, 6:00?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: Yeah, Dumbledore's funeral, where they... And it's, like,it'll be - no, that's what replaces Indiana Jones' Epic Stunt Show, you know, where all those - because that's an old ride and all the things burst into flame, so when Dumbledore's tomb bursts into flame, it's the same pyrotechnic group that did that.

Micah: But think about how horrible that would be to bring your kids to.

Eric: Oh, yeah, no, totally. Micah brings up - you bring up an interesting point, and it's well-heard and well-sounded. I don't actually, yeah, you're...

Micah: But anyway, back to the voicemail, sorry.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: I just thought I'd talk about that.

Eric: No, no, it was good, it was incredibly enjoyable. Do you have anything else you want to say about the theme park? [laughs]

Laura: I think...

Micah: No, no, that's - I'm good. [laughs]

Back to the Voicemail

Eric: Well, because I don't want to get into it later. Okay, so...

Laura: I think you guys are right in saying that they probably get separated at some point in the story. Maybe they meet back up, maybe they get separated for a good amount of time, and then they meet back up at this point.

Micah: Yeah, because they were pretty set at the end of Half-Blood Prince, you know, telling him that they weren't going to let him go and have at it alone, he was going to have them by his side, so, unless, like you guys said, they get separated somewhere.

Eric: Well, it's interesting too, because if you think about it, and I've mentioned this in the past, about hearing once that there was going to be a pretty big Muggle side of events taking place in Book 7. Like, the Muggle world might actually find out about the wizards if there's a large enough bang. Now, I don't know exactly what your ideas are on this, but I for one remember in Book 1, McGonagall said, "Wouldn't it be nice if on the very day that Voldemort was defeated, that the Muggle world actually knew we existed, because I'm a little bit tired of all this secrecy." It could've been a very nice ode to what would actually happen.

Micah: Well, apparently, the Order of the Phoenix is teaming up with the U.S. military, I don't know if you heard that.

Laura: Yeah.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Did you guys see that earlier today, Fox and Friends? Ben and Emerson were on.

Laura: Yep.

Eric: Oh my gosh. I didn't even want to reference that, so thank you, Micah. you saved me.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You saved me from doing that. Guys, Ben and Emerson were on TV, and you can check MuggleNet for that. And, okay, so, this whole Book 7 Muggle thing. Wouldn't Hermione and Ron, and I'm thinking about this, but if there on this journey that's going to take them through various country sides, various places in the Muggle world, couldn't Hermione put on Muggle clothing? She has Muggle for parents, she knows just about living with Muggles as Harry does, and Ron certainly isn't too ignorant to it. Couldn't they just wear Muggle clothes the whole book? Or, I mean, they do in the movies. [laughs] It's - that's - they do in the movies. But could they actually in the book?

Micah: Well, what if it's a rescue-type mission that Harry is on there? You know, maybe he has to go and save them.

Eric: So...

Micah: Maybe they're taken from him?

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Maybe they were at school, you never know. Anything is possible in that situation.

Eric: That's fair.

Laura: Yeah. And Eric, it was interesting that you brought up possibly Muggles finding out about wizards, because on the WOMBAT, Jo actually referenced the "Statute of Secrecy" that was put into effect to keep Muggles finding out about wizards and one of the questions was, "What do you think is one the worst pieces of legislation for the Wizarding World to date?" and that was an optional answer.

Eric: Oooh.

Laura: And so I'm wondering if that is the correct answer.

Eric: Wait a minute.

Laura: Maybe it's better for Muggles to know about wizards.

Eric: No because they will be wanting magical solutions for all these things. Like, foot fungus, people have...

Laura: Well, is that such a bad thing?

Eric: learn that foot fungus, you just need to - if you don't clean your feet...

[Laura laughs]

Eric: [laughs] No, but seriously, actually, Micah, now I see what you were saying about, "What do you think is the worst piece of legislation?" And it is a multiple choice answer - question?

Micah: No, Laura said that, but...

Eric: And isn't...

Laura: Yeah, that was me.

Eric: Oh, well. Oh!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Wait, no, Micah, didn't Micah, didn't you say that you didn't like that it was a multiple choice answer?

Micah: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Laura: Oh, that it was optional? It was, like, your opinion?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Right, so you said that and then Laura just said that, yeah, okay. Not, but, so Micah, what you said about it being a multiple choice answer on your opinion and Laura, that's just you guys are right, kind of. Especially on a WOMBAT test where you can lose points for answers. "What do you think?" and then having. But yeah, I reckon that that was actually - the Statute of Secrecy would be the worst piece of legislation. But it could possibly be explored in the book.

Laura: Well, some of the answer, too, they were kind of stupid answers like, letting House-Elves be free or something along those lines, and it was along those lines. And it was like, I don't see how that would affect the Wizarding World at large.

Eric: Ehhh.

Laura: The only answer that would affect the entire Wizarding World...

Micah: They'd have to do more work. LauraL Yeah, exactly - would be the Statute of Secrecy so I thought that that was...

Micah: Yeah, I don't know if I chose that but probably not.

Laura: ... that Statute [laughs], as it were.

Eric: [laughs] At least you're being honest. Probably not. So if they're in a wizarding setting - and that's true, they could have been pulled. I just think it would be, I mean it's not that difficult or it doesn't seem to be that difficult with, at least I guess in the movies, clouding my mind, for them all to don Mugglewear just so they don't get looked at. I mean, just in the rare case, even if they are in front of wizards, wizards understand wizards dressing up as Muggles. Muggles don't understand people running around in robes, believe me, I know. So...

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: So, guys, you don't think they can just put on a pair of shorts or something. They're actually in their robes, which I find interesting that Harry is not.

Micah: Well, to be honest with you, as a Muggle, I would find it a little bit more odd that there was a dragon flying above my house...

[Laura laughs]

Micah: ...than people walking around the street in robes.

Eric: Well, I don't know. I'm actually - ever since The Never Ending Story, that pretty much got me used to people flying over in big white carpets or dragons or whatever. Anyway...

Laura: Yeah, but Eric, you live in New Zealand. That's commonplace there.

Eric: And it is! So that's actually sorry, guys - the first part of this voicemail. They mentioned about the hills in England. Now, we talked specifically about that last week, where I said that the countryside should stay the same. There shouldn't be strictly wizarding countrysides, so unless we are in a fantasy, completely Unplottable place on the map, maybe the Bermuda Triangle - then it would actually seem like they are in a geographical location that would have lots of mountains such as Australia? Or New Zealand?

Micah: There you go.

Laura: Yeah, I mean, and Jamie confirmed that there is really no countryside that looks like this in the UK, so...

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I liked Eric's idea earlier, when you were talking about possibly Gringotts. We know there's all those tunnels down there. Is it possible some point, there's a place where you can, I guess, enter or leave from another area that would take you to another part of the world?

Eric: You know that would be cool.

Laura: That's what happened when the Gringotts goblins tried to dig a hole to China.

[Micah laughs]

Laura: It's what all of us wanted to do as children.

Eric: Well, and guys, remember, well, not remember, but actually have you guys seen now, this is a stretch, this is really a stretch. I'll be very happy with you guys. Have you seen the sequel to Mortal Kombat? Mortal Kombat: Annihilation.

Micah: Yeah, I have seen it.

Laura: No.

Eric: Yeah, you know that system they used to travel through the core of the Earth?

Micah: Yep.

Eric: Yep. Absolutely. They have this system of tunnels that are just - you strap yourself to a big gyroscope, I believe it is, or it's something along the same lines, where you're strapped in and there's a sphere that's around you and it transports you really fast through these tunnels that go above some lava pits. Some expired lava pits, which is the basic idea, that and the movie - the core, which is cool, but do you guys think that it is possible and that what was JKR was alluding to? Or has she...

Laura: I doubt it. icah: Not Mortal Kombat in particular. [laughs] Scorpion isn't going to show up.

Laura: I don't know. I kind of doubt that, though. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, get over here, Harry. [swooshing sound] Your Horcrux is mine. [swooshing sound] No. Actually, that is pretty good. Shang Tsung in the Harry Potter books, no...

Voicemail: Privet Drive

Micah: We have more voicemails, though.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, darn. Okay, fine.

Laura: All right, you guys ready?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yep, next voicemail, Laura.

Audio: Hey, MuggleCast, this is Charlie from Virginia. There was a - the ancient magic Dumbledore evoked on Harry about him calling Privet Drive his home is obviously supposed to expire when he turns 17, but he never really thought Privet Drive to be his home. He always thought Hogwarts was his home. I wonder if Harry will start regarding Hogwarts as his home and using that ancient magic does it transfer over to Hogwarts? I would be interested to hear what you guys think on the show. hanks! Bye!

Laura: Ummm.

Eric: No.

Laura: No. I don't think so, because didn't Dumbledore say that it was considered his home so long as he could technically walk through the door and...

[Eric laughs]

Laura: fed and welcome there.

Eric: And supposedly - yeah, it is worth calling into question, because it is true what they say on this voice mail, that Harry isn't really - he didn't really call it home. They treated him like crap and stuff, but the protection is on, and it has worn off. My own opinion is that Harry doesn't need any more protection. He is old enough now that when he comes of age, and when he is able to be vulnerable now, when the protection wears of and he will have to face what is to come, and he won't try and transfer that ancient magic to Hogwarts. Particularly, Harry can't do ancient magic and certainly not that rivals Dumbledore in protecting him, and I think that Harry - even though he would like to have a safe haven, I think he has come to the conclusion that there is no safe haven anymore.

Laura: Yeah, and on top of the fact that it's pretty much been made clear that once you are 17, that kind of protection doesn't work anymore. You can't use it anymore.

Micah: I think it is also important to remember that the protection doesn't necessarily come from the house. It comes from Petunia.

Laura: From Petunia, right.

Micah: And she needs acceptance of him. One thing that I wanted to bring up though that I read, because I have been going over J.K. Rowling's site a lot. Reading some of the things that came up that we may not remember, and I was looking at the whole "Remember my last," because I'm just rereading Order of the Phoenix also as we get closer to the release date, and she said on her site that it is important to remember and to differentiate between the letters that were addressed to the Dursleys and letters that are addressed to Petunia, and I thought that was kind of interesting, because if you think about it, the note on the doorstep the day Harry arrived was addressed to both Petunia and Vernon.

Laura: Hmmm.

Micah: So, that means that Dumbledore was talking to Petunia way before that.

Laura: Yeah, that he actually communicated with heron her own.

Micah: Right.

Laura: Which is, I mean...

Micah: Which is very interesting, I think.

Eric: Did they, did JKR say that the last time that Dumbledore and Petunia had spoken was before Harry had come to the doorstep?

Laura: We don't know, necessarily.

Micah: Wait. Say that again.

Eric: So Dumbledore says, "Remember my last," but does that mean that the last time Dumbledore - I mean Petunia recognizes the voice, is scared to death...

Micah: It's Dumbledore's. I mean, there is no question about that.

Eric: No. I'm not questioning if it is Dumbledore's. I'm saying, when was the last time that Dumbledore would have spoken to Petunia? Does it have to be before Harry came to live at Privet Drive, or was Dumbledore a little bit more in contact with Petunia throughout the years?

Micah: I think he contacted her before Harry showed up on the doorstep.

Eric: So she has...

Micah: I don't think there is any question about that.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: I mean, how else would she be accepting of him?

Eric: Well, no. I'm saying that he could have contacted her before Harry, but when Dumbledore says, "Remember my last," "Last what?" is still a question, and does that mean that Dumbledore - like are you against the idea that Dumbledore contacted Petunia while Harry was living there?

Laura: I don't know. I think that we can definitely say that he contacted her before Harry lived there, because McGonagall even said whenever Dumbledore said that he wrote a letter, she said, "How do you even explain all this in a letter?" And obviously you can't, so clearly Petunia knew about the situation before Harry got there.

Eric: That makes sense.

Laura: He may well have contacted her over the years, but I don't think it really matters what he is referring to. Basically, from that message, we know that they have been communicating just amongst themselves without Vernon involved, because he is clearly ignorant when it comes to all of the wizarding issues, he knows nothing, so I think it is safe to assume they have been in communication.

Eric: Hmmm, but...

Micah: Hold on one second, I'm looking it up right here. I have it.

Eric: Okay, so we will just check, because I think it would be interesting if Dumbledore was still contacting Petunia sometime during Harry's childhood. I mean, 13 to 16 years is difficult time. You know, it's a huge amount of time to not go in contact.

Micah: Okay, here it says, "What did Dumbledore's Howler to Aunt Petunia mean?" He says, or sorry she says, "Dumbledore is referring to his last letter. Which means, of course, the letter that he left upon their doorstep when Harry was one-year old, but why then you may ask, did he not just say, 'Remember my letter?' Why did he say, 'My last letter?' Why, obviously, because there were letters before that."

Laura: Hmmm.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: She said, "Now let the speculation begin, and mind you type clearly, I'll be watching." She goes on in a P.S. to say, "It has been suggested that I am wrong in saying that Dumbledore's last letter was the one he left on the doorstep with baby Harry, and that he has sent a letter since then concerning Harry's illegal flight to school. However, both Dumbledore and I differentiate between letters sent to the Dursley's as a couple and messages directed to Petunia, alone. And that's my final word on the subject."

Eric: Okay, so she answered the question, completely helped us, and then said, "Wait a minute. No."?

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Micah: Yes, because she can do that.

Eric: Yeah, well, she can.

Micah: And she likes to do that.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Eric: Not many people would, but she did.

Voicemail: Why Does Trelawney Call Voldemort "The Dark Lord"?

Laura: Okay, Rosie from England.

[Audio]: Hey, it's Rosie from England. I was just wondering, and I was just re-reading Order of the Phoenix and when Trelawny was reading the Prophecy, she kept calling Voldemort "The Dark Lord" and we know from Harry's Occlumency lessons with Snape that only Death Eaters call Voldemort "The Dark Lord"? Could Trelawney have been a Death Eater at one time? What do you think? I love MuggleCast, especially Andrew and Jamie. Wooo!

Eric: [laughs] I don't know. Guys, do you think from a casting standpoint that Emma Thompson has Death Eater in her?

Laura: Ummm.

Micah: It's possible that, at one point, Trelawney was in Alcoholics Anonymous. Whether she was a Death Eater...

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: ...I don't think so. But, anyway.

Laura: Well, what interests me about this is Molly brings - or, not Molly, I'm sorry. That's the next one. But Rosie brings up the point that in the prophecy Voldemort is referred to as "The Dark Lord," and I don't think that Trelawney was ever a Death Eater, but it makes me wonder. Where do these prophecies come from, exactly? Because they don't come from the person making the prophecy, they're just used as a channel.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: To convey it to someone else. So where do they come from? And wherever they're coming from is referring to Voldemort as "The Dark Lord..."

Micah: Well...

Laura: ...Which makes me wonder how much we can trust a prophecy.

Eric: Hmm, well...

Micah: I've got to imagine that there are times in the books, though, that there are other characters that refer to him as "The Dark Lord," because I remember reading through - because I've been doing rereading of Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix, and I swear that there are characters that call him "The Dark Lord." Even though I know what you're saying and I know what Rosie's saying about really only Death Eaters call him that, but there has to be instances where others do as well.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Well, it seems like it's more of a formal title. Like, it's either used by people who respect him or people who fear him, it seems.

Eric: Yeah. No, but it is interesting to see. What I liked about the voicemail is the question of is somebody talking through Trelawney, or is a Death Eater talking through Trelawney. I mean, that wasn't said in the voicemail, but if Trelawney herself wasn't a Death Eater, is this prophecy coming from someone who is a Death Eater? Like say for instance that Trelawney's two prophecies that end up being true - what if Bellatrix Lestrange was convulsing somewhere and had a telepathic connection when Trelawney did?

Micah: Well, think about this, though. Think about this.

Laura: Well...

Eric: I'm just going to discredit my own theory. Bellatrix was in Azkaban when that second prophecy took place, but continue.

Micah: No, but I think it's more creative writing, though. Because if you were to write the prophecy, and you're JK Rowling, would you say "the one with the power to vanquish He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named approaches?" I mean, that sounds kind of silly, doesn't it?

Laura: Well, what about "the one who has the power to vanquish Lord Voldemort?"

Eric: Hmmm, but still...

Micah: Well, it all comes back to the whole who can say his name.

Eric: That's also true.

Micah: Not many people are willing to actually say "Voldemort." They're afraid to.

Laura: Yeah. But it just makes me wonder where exactly prophecies come from.

Eric: We don't know.

Laura: You know?

Micah: I think Trelawney was doing her best impression of me when she said in that deep voice.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I think so too. I think the next time they revise--if they ever revise the audio editions, or have - they have them on iTunes now, I guess. Micah, after MuggleCast, we're just going to do our own audio books, and we're going to split up the workload with characters and we're all going to read.

Micah: Uh-huh. And I get the prophecy. Is that what you're saying?

Eric: You get the prophecy voice.

Micah: Okay. Cool.

Eric: We'll find some other ones for you.

Laura: You get to read for Grawp, too.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: You get Grawp, you get...

Micah: Krum.

Eric: Maybe Hagrid. I don't know. I'm not really partial to Ben's Hagrid, but I kind of am, just because he's done it so much. But...

Micah: No, yeah, Ben gets Hagrid. Krum. I'll do Krum, obviously.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Krum, and we'll also give you like, Luna, or something. Okay, and so moving on...

Micah: What?

Laura: We'll give you a challenge. [laughs]

Eric: Next voicemail, please.

Laura: Okay.

Eric: Wait, did you guys have anything else about that?

Micah: No. We're good.

Laura: No, that's good.

Eric: Okay. Next voicemail.

Voicemail: Hufflepuff's Cup

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCasters. My name is Molly. I'm 14 and I'm from North Carolina. I was just rereading Half-Blood Prince and I have a question for you guys. On page 436 of the US edition, Harry and Dumbledore are watching Tom Riddle and Hepzibah Smith in the Pensieve. Hepzibah shows Voldemort Hufflepuff's Cup. She mentions that the cup has, quote, "all sorts of powers it's supposed to possess, too, but I haven't tested them thoroughly. I just keep it nice and safe in here." I was just wondering what kind of powers these might be. You guys are all awesome, but Andrew and Jamie, you're my favorites. Oh, and happy birthday, Andrew. Thanks! Bye!

Micah: I think...

Eric: Okay, it's a cup.

Micah: Go ahead.

Eric: No, that's it.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: That's it. Micah. I was planning on - it's a cup. I'm just reminding everybody.

Micah: Oh, no, I was...

Eric: Before you start saying that I think it time travels and...

Micah: No, no, no, no, no.

Eric: ...and goes through other...

Micah: I was going to make a joke. I was going to say that Trelawney found out some of the powers of the cup.

Eric: [laughs] The powers of the sherry-filled cup.

Micah: Yeah, exactly.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Good joke.

Micah: This is really weird. I really am stumped on this one. I don't know what type of powers it could have.

Laura: Yeah, I'm kind of wondering, I mean, could we be talking about something along the lines of the opals in Borgin & Burkes? Or is it evil? Is it bad? Does it hurt you if you touch it? I don't know.

Eric: Well, it's Hufflepuff.

Laura: I would think that if it was Hufflepuff's...

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: wouldn't be mean, but you never know.

Eric: You never know, some of those - well, Ravenclaw and Gryffindor are the more cunning. Hufflepuff isn't "a bunch o'duffers," as Hagrid clears up, but it still remains that Hufflepuff is one of the least characterized houses. If you are mean and heartless, you get into Slytherin - and I understand that there are good Slytherins. If you're kind of ambitious, you might get into Slytherin. If you're courageous, you get into Gryffindor. If you're smart, intelligent, cunning, you kind of get into Ravenclaw or one of the other two, but then everybody else kind of goes into Hufflepuff. If you're nice, if you're a little bit gossipy, I heard, you know, something like that, but we can't really derive anything from Hufflepuff's character traits that would somehow help us and assist us into figuring out what this cup is all about. Or maybe we're not looking hard enough.

Micah: I mean, what powers could a cup have?

Eric: That's a good question.

Laura: I think you summed it up perfectly.

Eric: Actually...

Laura: I think Trelawney knows.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Actually, there is another famous cup in history, and I'm just going to reference that. It's- it had healing powers, and did something else, didn't it? I'm thinking of the holy grail.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: There you go...

Laura: See, I'm useless when you bring that up, because...

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: ...all I think of is Monty Python. [laughs]

Micah: I was going to say the Goblet of Fire.

Eric: Well, I'm thinking of Indiana Jones. I don't know what you guys are up to, but I'm thinking of Indiana Jones, and he chose poorly and then the guy like turns into a skeleton. But the - I'm thinking of the holy grail. So, it had healing powers, and it's something like the drink of youth; the drink of life? I...

Laura: Fountain of youth.

Eric: The fountain of youth, but the drink of life. Drinking things, and even in Alice in Wonderland, that have come from cups - or actually most of her's came from vials, you know, kind of influences the potion thing. And it wasn't - well goblets, just in general so far throughout the series, have been a little bit more prominent than we would have, at least, thought of originally.

Micah: True.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: So, there are some important cups. But it's a good question overall. Do you guys have any other ideas?

Laura: No...

Micah: No.

Laura:... I mean, it's a good question, but it's really all speculation at this point.

Eric: So, we'll - we'll come back to that. But that, guys, that actually wraps it up for voicemails this week. Can you believe it?

Micah: What, that we actually did voicemails?

Laura: [laughs] Did voicemails?

Eric: Well, can you believe any part of that statement? I'm just, you know? I'm hosting and I'm trying to come up with things.

Laura: Yeah, I think we might have been dreaming, Eric.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: It was all a dream.

Eric: Oh geez, I hope - well, no JKR said that it wasn't, right? So, we can no longer

Micah: It better not be.

Laura: [laughs] That would make me so mad.

Micah: Well, I would wait for her plane at JFK when...

Eric: Well.

Micah: ...she comes to New York and...

Eric: Micah, they will take you away for saying that.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, that's probably true.

Eric: Anyway, okay, so... [laughs]

Micah: I'm just kidding.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. No, but we all will.

Laura: We all will.

Eric: We all will, as well. It will be - I would love to see her, for one though, to the first crowd in the U.S. during her book tour, being reading like to New Orleans, or Los Angeles and [laughs] conclude it falsely and with, "And it was all a dream," and then she snickers and runs out.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Road to Deathly Hallows: Who Will Survive?

Eric: She'll just run out and everybody will be like, "Oh my god!," so that would be cool. So, next - next on the roster here is the Road to Deathly Hallows. This week we've got a new topic, but actually before we get into that, Micah, didn't we - we didn't actually finish last week's.

Micah: No, we did not. We...

Eric: Hmmm.

Micah: ...ran into having too many characters to discuss, who will live and who will die.


Micah: So, let's start where we left off with Neville. What do you guys think? Is he in trouble in this book?

Laura: I think he's going to die. I think he's going to die.

Eric: I think he's going to have a good moment. I think JKR is going to really...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: ...treat Neville correctly in this book. I think she's really going to give him something to do and, you know, Neville's tired of being the forgetful, fat kid. And I think he's really going to show off some of his anger, as JKR has already kind of placed in the line-up for taking down Bellatrix. Who, of course, was one of the torturers who may be responsible for his long-term memory loss or short-term memory loss.

Micah: Now, why do you think he has that memory loss? Because I read an e-mail recently that said it's possible that he's so forgetful because his grandmother puts a charm on him that is making him forget, possibly stuff that happened to his parents that she doesn't want him to remember.

Eric: Oooh.

Laura: Right.

Eric: That's really cool. I didn't - I haven't heard that one. That one's, you know, putting the role of the grandmother on him. Like, Gran says, "It's time's for your soup," you know, Neville.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And there is a potion in there to make him not remember his horrible life.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Micah: You think he'll learn about the prophecy? Do you think he'll learn...

Eric: But no that's...

Micah: Deathly Hallows that he could have been Harry?

Eric: I...

Laura: Oh, yeah, I think he will.

Eric: Yeah. I think that's actually Harry's job, I think. I think Harry should tell Neville, if he tells anybody, and he's told Harry and Ron - I mean Hermione and Ron. I think he needs to confide in Neville and be like, "Look, okay dude, you were like - you and me we're not all that different." [laughs] "You and I - we're the same. We..." Yeah.

Laura: I think that Neville's going to out in a blaze of glory. Like, not literally [laughs] on fire, but... I think that he's...

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Laura: I think that he's going to go out doing something courageous.

Micah: To prove why he's in Gryffindor.

Eric: Though I would like - yeah, that's true. That's true, as well. He's in Gryffindor and he seems a little bit more like a Hufflepuff, except for that one little scene in the first book where he stood up to his friends and he got 50 house points, and he won the whole thing. But, no, actually, my own personal opinion of Neville and his memory was not actually personal it was shared by a bunch of people- was of the charms and the curses that they did on his parents and stuff, he could have been hit, either with a few charms and curses, or possibly the Confundus charm, or Crucio even. You know? One - if he was hit with a curse at a very young age it could have done something to his mind. But I'm actually...

Micah: However...

Eric: I'm actually liking that vindictive grandmother thing.

Micah: Yeah. I think also something that works in his favor, though, was the whole idea that one of Harry's friends going on to - or one of the students going on to being a teacher at Hogwarts. I think Neville teaching Herbology is definitely something that could happen.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: So...

Eric: He is good at Herbology.

Micah: But, again, it could be anybody, I guess [laughs] that ends up being a teacher.

Eric: Yeah, that's true. Wait, did J.K.R. say there'd be someone who's definitely going to be a teacher?

Micah: Yes.

Laura: Yes.

Eric: Oh, cool.

Micah: And it's not - didn't she say it's not Harry or did she not specify? I can't remember.

Eric: Well, you peruse her site all the time.

Micah: It - I don't think it was on her site. I think it was in one of those interviews that she did.

Eric: Oh, yeah. No, I totally - I totally don't remember.

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Who's next on the - who's next on the list?


Micah: Severus Snape.

Eric: Ooo. Should we even talk about this?

Laura: I don't know. That - that's hard. I mean, part of me wants to say he'll die and then another part of me says he'll live so I - I just don't know. I mean...

Eric: I think there's so much speculation, there's so much intensity...

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: ...that even if Snape is good, I think...

Micah: Well, let's say he's good, who's going to kill him? Voldemort?

Laura: Oh, I think Voldemort would kill him if he was good.

Eric: I think - I think he would - I think Snape should survive something from Voldemort. I think that would be cool. I mean, but - but, like, I guess Snape survives from Voldemort in one way which is that if he is good, he has tricked Voldemort and apparently done something that makes him so vulnerable that he kind of makes up for that person he killed.

Micah: If he's evil, who's going to take him out? Harry?

Eric: That's the other thing. Well, Harry - you saw how Harry faired even though Snape was teaching him at the very time. He couldn't even utter the word that he wanted because Snape would take him out. I mean this is - it's true that Harry will get some more training and I'm not - I don't want to generate impressions that he won't be fit, but Harry's got to take on Voldemort. That's pretty much good enough, I mean, that's hard enough to do. Taking on full grown adults. What if Remus, what if somebody else takes Snape out? Actually...

Micah: That's possible.

Eric: ...Remus and Snape never, I mean, you know, childhood, kind of, rivals in a way, I guess.

Micah: I never sensed any animosity between them though, really.

Eric: There's not.

Micah: Not as much.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: There's - there's not. And Remus even says to Harry, "I really can't fault the guy 'cause he made my Wolfsbane potion when he could have left me to some very awkward nights."

Micah: Right.

Eric: There is an animosity, but they do know each other and they do know the history of each other at Hogwarts. You know, as a - and they've been - they've been connected in the past though so I just - that's what struck me.


Micah: Okay, Draco is up after Snape.

Laura: I think he'll live.

Micah: Live in regret in some way, possibly?

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I think he's definitely going to live. I don't know if he's going to end up choosing a side. I sort of see him as kind of a - more of a problem to both sides, like, because he won't choose one and so instead of trying to beneficial to one or the other, he'll just be more of a problem.

Micah: Well, could indecision get him killed, though?

Laura: It could, but I don't know. I just don't see, I mean...

Eric: Hmmm. There's...

Laura: I mean, I just don't see the point in him dying.

Eric: Yeah, I mean, there's been some elusions to his weakness and his inability to handle at least Voldemort, but that was probably - I think that was just to serve the other plot, you know, for Book 6 and possibly that Draco himself was going to go up against Dumbledore. We've seen he can't do that, but I think what Laura was saying, and there may be too many tragic heroes in this whole story

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: ...who, you know, reveal themselves to be good, but then die. I...

Micah: Well, Laura brings up a great point, though, and this kind of goes back to what she said last week with Ginny and that is that the death has to be meaningful in some way to Harry. And I don't know that Draco kicking the bucket would necessarily be meaningful to Harry at all.

Laura: Yeah. I don't think he would really care, to be honest.

Eric: Hmmm.

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