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Show Intro

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[Annoying Mac Computer voice]: Because we are on the crowded train in another country to record an intro, this is MuggleCast episode 97 for July 2nd, 2007. Andrew and Jamie rule.

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Andrew: Well, we have a busy show this week because there is lots to discuss.

Jamie: Yes there is.

Micah: Like what?

Andrew: We are going to be places this summer.

Laura: Places?

Andrew: We are going to be at a lot of places.

Laura: That's very vague. Very vague.

Andrew: On the little mini show that you slept through.

Jamie: Ah, the mini show I slept through. It was just that good.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. No, you just refused to get out of bed.

Jamie: Actually, okay, Andrew, I can't let that go even though we just started the show. I wasn't asked if I wanted to be on it. They just held the microphone to my head and said, "Jamie, you coming to the show." And I was like, [makes noise you say when you are half asleep] and went back to sleep.

Andrew: Dude, we checked with you before hand...

Jamie: But there's a difference...

Andrew: Do you want to be in on this? You were like, "No, I can't. I'm tired." I was like, "No, that's good because we don't have room for one more mic anyway."

Jamie: Ok, whatever. This doesn't matter. This is so irrelevant, it's unbelievable.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, no, in all serious, though, we do have a lot to announce this week. it's a big week because as Micah promised last week in his intro, we are going to talk about our big podcasting plans that we are all going to be at! Except for Eric.

[Eric starts laughing, and Laura joins in]

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And this is a big week for Eric because he is actually in the United States. I can't believe it. [Eric laughs] Thanks for staying in your home country this week, Eric.

Eric: Oh, yeah, no problem. No problem. It's been good fun.

Andrew: Glad to hear it. I'm Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I'm Jamie Lawrence.

Eric: I'm Eric Scull.

Laura: I'm Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I'm Micah Tannenbaum.

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Andrew: It's been a very busy news week. The news just keeps rolling down the MuggleNet page every time I go on there, there is another six stories posted by Ciaran, or Rosie...

Jamie: Yep.

Micah: Who's Rosie?

Andrew: ...who else posts news on Muggle...? Rosie O'Donnell.

Micah: Oh, really? She started working for us now?

Jamie: Yeah, she started working for us.

Andrew: After the view she decided she wanted...

Laura: How can you not know your own staff, Micah?

Micah: What?

Andrew: After the view, she decided that it would be a good idea to go with the sort of Harry Potter...

Laura: It's a big step up.

Jamie: She's a big fan, anyway. So, uh, exactly, yeah. It is a big step up. A national syndicated show is nothing to MuggleNet.

Andrew: MuggleNet is basically a nationally syndicated website.

Micah: International.

Andrew: Worldwide. Internationally.

Jamie: Wow, could we be anymore modest to this point?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yes. Yes, we can.

Listener Rebuttal: Draco The Dragon

Andrew: Well, of course one of the big stories this week - well, one of the more interesting stories. Let me read the email here from, Ricey. I think that's his name?

Jamie: Or her.

Andrew: Or her. 17, of Canada. She (or he) writes:

"I was going through the comments on MuggleNet about the audiobook oh DH being released on July 21st, and someone said that Draco means dragon, which is a possible connection to the DH deluxe edition cover. Do you guys think that Draco is an Animagus? Could it be Draco on the DH cover, helping the Trio by helping them on the Horcrux hunt? Stephen Fry did say, 'Never tickle a sleeping dragon' - perhaps this is part of the storyline. Just wondering what you guys thought. I'm a bit skeptical about this, but hey, its a possibility. I'm sure Jo's put in many surprises for us in DH."

[Jamie laughs]

So, in the big announcement that the audiobook would be released along side the real book, for the first time ever, at least in the UK, there was a little video that Stephen Fry recorded where he said he was very excited to be releasing the book, and he can't talk about it yet, of course, but at the end he said, "I can't tell you much, however I do want to say one thing." And he said the whole, that Latin slogan.

Jamie: No, no. That, that, I would say, is a reference to, or is a copy of, when Jo wrote Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them in the intro written by Dumbledore, it says, "To all Muggles, I'd like to say that all the beasts mentioned in this book, all the creatures mentioned here, are completely fictitious and clearly and cannot hurt you..." and you know and stuff like that. And then he paused and then he says, But to all wizards I merely say Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus." So, it's just - I don't think it any reference to the plot. It's just like Harry Potter has come a full circle and that's the motto of Hogwarts. He's just saying it...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: try and be funny. And to try and, you know, show that it's an important thing. I don't think it means anything, but - And also, a dragon is quite a kind of big creature. Because you know, it always seems to be human sort of animals that they transfigure into. Like, it would be kind of unfair if they had a fight and one turned into a rat, you know Pettigrew, and one turned into a dragon.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Right. I mean, they say you turn into an animal. You know, I would assume a dragon's are...

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. A dragon's a beast.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Here's a question, what Disney film does this whole thing remind you of? Like, having fights when you're transformed into an animal?

Andrew: Mulan.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Sorry?

Laura: Yeah, that's what I thought of. [laughs] Mulan.

Jamie: Oh really? Oh well, there's two then.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I've never seen it, but... [laughs]

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Why? What happens in that?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, it's just a dragon.

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Laura: Eddie Murphy, the whole dragon thing.

Jamie: I was going to say The Sword in the Stone. You know, Madam Mimm...

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Jamie: When they transform into creatures and like Merlin.

Andrew: I never saw that.

Jamie: You've never seen The Sword in the Stone?

Andrew: Well...

Jamie: Andrew, get out of my house, now.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Andrew: It's raining. I don't want to.

Eric: Jamie, since you asked, there was a sequel to, what was it? Snow White called Happily Ever After.

Jamie: Yeah. And the wicked witch's brother, or something, I believe could turn into a dragon in that. And also...

Jamie: Oh, awesome.

Eric: Yeah. And it also reminds me of, non-Disney, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation. Where they all turn into...

Jamie: Oh, and Eric, I was just thinking that. That's absolutely brilliant. I was just thinking that. Sorry, go on. Go on.

Eric: Thank you. But, yeah...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But, yeah, dragons in general are a lot bigger than humans. And even like turning into a stag is, like, relatively plausible when you compare it to...

Jamie: Completely, yeah. Yeah.

Eric: Turning into a giant...

Jamie: Into a blue whale. It would be unfair. You would just crush them.

Eric: Exactly, exactly. And you'd, of course, need water. You'd, of course, only be able to change...

Jamie: Precisely, yeah.

Eric: a pool or something. Your neighbor's pond.

Jamie: Yeah, in your pond.

Eric: But the... Yeah. So, I don't think it's Draco. I don't think he's an Animagus. Or if he is, I don't think he's a dragon.

Jamie: Yeah, it's quite unlikely.

Eric: Little bit unlikely.

Andrew: That seems too fairy tale-ish. Too fairy tale-ish.

Laura: I don't think he's powerful enough, for starters.

Jamie: Yeah. You do need to be...

Micah: Yeah, plus he's a wimp. [laughs]

Jamie: He is a bit of a wimp, yeah.

Andrew: Just the whole concept in general.

Jamie: He couldn't even kill someone.

Andrew: Draco as a dragon. That's...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Just makes me want to...

Eric: Yeah, gosh! It's, like, so...

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You know, first year of...

Jamie: He couldn't even...

Laura: It's so easy to kill somebody.

Jamie: Yeah. It's only the gravest crime known to mankind.

Laura: You would know, Jamie. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But still, you shouldn't tickle him. You should not tickle Draco.

Jamie: Yeah, you should not tickle him, yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Because he gets mad.

Andrew: Whether he's Draco or not.

Jamie: It's like the Hulk.

Eric: Even if he is a dragon.

Cut Kreacher?

Andrew: Well, moving on to some other news. We found out this week that there was a little debacle going in Warner Brothers. Well, between Warner Brothers and J.K. Rowling. About a certain character to be cut out of the film. And they weren't sure whether or not to cut out this character or not. And Jo highly recommended that they keep it in.

Jamie: Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. There you go.

Andrew: Nobody knew who it was, until the other day when David Yates did reveal that it was actually Kreacher who J.K. Rowling insisted stay in the movie. And it's interesting - let me quote him here.

"It was Kreacher, actually. We took Kreacher out, and Jo said, 'Listen guys, you don't have to put Kreacher back, but I'm just telling you, if you want to kind of keep a thread going for six and seven, you might want Kreacher to come back.' She basically told us Kreacher plays a role in Seven, in a sense. She hinted. We thought about it for five seconds, and he came back."

Andrew: [laughs] Which is awesome.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So, very interesting. I think we've discussed it on the show before...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: What kind of role would Kreacher play. If he, indeed, was the character that was...

Jamie: I mean, do you think it's important because of the whole he, you know, betrayed Sirius and it's to do with that storyline. Or just because of his position, how his master is Harry and how he tries to get back to Bellatrix?

Eric: Well...

Jamie: And be evil.

Laura: I think that's probably it.

Eric: I think it's his role as the house elf for the Black family. We're trying to find out, you know, R.A.B. and stuff, who was Kreacher's master just as much.

Micah: Andrew.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Well, there's also been a lot of debate..

Micah: It was David Heyman, not David Yates.

Andrew: Are you sure? Because I just checked the article and it said David Yates.

Micah: It says...

Jamie: Maybe they both said it, simultaneously.

Micah: Oh, no. You know what?

Laura: Yeah. At the same time, in sync.

Micah: I'm looking at the...

Jamie: It was just coincidence, seriously.

Eric: No, it is David Yates. But, when I read the article before we knew who it was, Jo's words as quoted in the article were, "You've got your hands tied behind your back if you don't put this character - You know, if you don't keep this character in..." And, you know, that's one of those moments where I say, "Go, Jo." For telling them that. And also for, you know, caring about them tying their hands behind their backs. Because, we've talked at length before about how they just cut things out of the movies. And they've got very little continuity between the movies. And for things to happen in the future to only be developed in that film, it kind of is not as admirable as we want it to be. So, this was cool.

Laura: Well, you know there has also been a lot of debate about the creature that's behind Harry holding the sword on the cover. And I think that this could pretty much confirm that that's Kreacher.

Andrew: Oh, you think so?

Eric: What?

Laura: Yeah, because - Well...

Eric: No, it's still Dobby.

Laura: I don't think - why do you think it's Dobby?

Eric: Wait, do we see his face? I'm sorry.

Andrew: No.

Laura: No, you only see a hand holding a sword. If Kreature were important - well, the thing is, if Dobby were important, we would still see Dobby in the movies. Jamie; Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: She would have done the same thing, just sort of said, "Hey, keep Dobby in." but she said Kreature, which means he's definitely far more significant, which means that it's more likely that it's him on the cover.

Eric: I don't think that at all.

Andrew: I agree with that.

Eric: I actually don't think that at all.

Andrew: Why not, Eric?

Eric: She just wished Dobby a "Happy Birthday!"

Laura: She wishes...

Andrew: It doesn't matter. He's on the calender.

Jamie: Eric, she...

Eric: But come on, he's a house elf.

Laura: Everyone gets a "Happy Birthday!"

Jamie: She wished the inventor of the self-starting cauldron a happy birthday; there's got to be more important people. I think she just wishes everyone one, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Interesting fact...

Eric: Yeah, well I just don't think Kreature come around on - well, okay.

Jamie: No, I was just going to say, interesting fact: Did you know that if you're in a room with 23 people - okay, so if there are 23 people in one room, there's more than a 50 percent chance that two people will share the same birthday? Isn't that interesting?

Laura: Really?

Eric: Oh my god.

Andrew: How is that possible when there's 365 days a year?

Eric: That is really interesting.

Jamie: There are 365.

Andrew: Three-hundred-and-sixty-five days a year, yeah thats wha't I said.

Jamie: Oh, I thought you said 369. It's possible because you have more than one pairing. If you have 23 people, you have one and two, one and three, one and four, one and five, then you have two and three, two and four, two and five, two and six, you have three and...

Andrew: Huh?!

Jamie: ...three and three. So, you have all these pairings...

Andrew: What?!

Jamie: So there's over a 50 percent chance, but I think for it to be a 100 percent chance, you have to have exactly the amount of people, and exactly the amount of days, but for like a 99.9 percent chance, it's like, 200 and something. It's stupid.

Andrew: That's crazy.

Laura: We should find out when we do a show, just start naming off days and let people raise their hands.

Jamie: Yeah, we should.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. You should get them to line up in ascending birthday order.

Jamie: Laura, are you suggesting that we only get 23 people to our shows, because I think you'll find...

Laura: No! No, no, no, no, no.

Andrew: If by 23 you mean 23,000.

Jamie: Twenty-three million.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Micah: Well, Jamie, you'd also have to subtract us from the 23.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Micah: So we'd have less.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: So we'd actually have 16.

Andrew: Oh, my birthday is May twenty three-erd.

Jamie: Twenty three-erd?

Laura: Twenty three-erd?

Eric: Mine's April 23rd. There's a lot of No. 23s.

Andrew: Crazy.

Eric: And that's a movie I saw on the way here.

Laura: Oh, hat's the stupidest movie.

The Times Review of Order of the Phoenix

Andrew: Speaking of interesting facts with birthdays, the Times came out with their Order of the Phoenix review. Three out of five stars. Average.

Jamie: But can I just say that UK newspapers - The Guardian also reviews and has a film review section - and it's just so professional and polite. It doesn't actually tell you what you want to know about a film.

Andrew: Yeah, that's the thing.

Jamie: It's like, "The juxtaposition of character development, and plot outlines."

Andrew: Exactly! Exactly!

Jamie: "It's oxymoronic in the sort of past tense way." It's just, you don't want to know that. You want to know, should I go see the film or not? You can't trust these broadsheet reviews, even though three is pretty good. They don't really give fives.

Andrew: Well let me quote the review. You're exactly right, let me quote the review. "The acting skills of Radcliffe, Rupert Grint and Emma Watson have improved, but not enough to truly flesh out the characters and provide the narrative depth this transitional, plot-advancing film needs."

Jamie: There you go, exactly.

Eric: That's a great accent, Andrew.

Andrew: "They have got angry and determined down pat at this point..." Oh, it should be English. [switches to an English accent] "...but struggle somewhat on the more nuanced grimaces."

Jamie: My god...

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: "Harry's bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful." That was bad.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: It's so full of adjectives to describe. I don't want to read stuff like that.

Laura: Yeah, well, I mean, what I get from that is what they're saying is they all have the very common emotions down, but they're really having a hard time portraying their characters or something like that?

Jamie: It is. It is, yeah.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Laura: Which kind of upsets me to read that a little bit...

Jamie: I'm crying.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Because there's a lot of different emotions in this story. It's beyond the point of...

Jamie: I don't know about you guys, but I like reviews that use words like "Awesome!" and "Amazing CGI effects!" and, you know?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Neato! Neato!

Jamie: Wow! He was badass, man!

Eric: Right, but...

Jamie: You know? Stuff like that.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: But if it's a bad movie.

Jamie: What is cod-psychoanalysis? It's like a study of fish.

Laura: [laughs] Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Micah: Jamie, have you seen the movie The Eraser?

Jamie: Oh, with Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Micah: Yeah, you don't examine his character development throughout the course of the movie, do you?

Jamie: [laughs] No, no, no, I don't.

Eric: Well look, guys. This is - no, Jamie' completely right, this is not the kind of stuff you want to hear about. I mean, with a movie that's this book being turned into movies, the last thing you almost want to hear about is how the trio is fitting in their roles, because what I'm more concerned about is how the movie handles everything, and if the movie is an actual good movie. They're here complaining about the acting, obviously not at all the kinds of things that we would necessarily - or anybody - would want to hear about, right?

Laura: Well...

Early Screenings

Eric: But I heard something that might actually shed some light on it, because I actually have a friend who just contacted me today and was privy to one of the super secret audience screenings.

Andrew: has these things called - well, first of all, everyone has a MySpace, here, right?

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Unfortunately.

Andrew: MySpace. Everyone's got a MySpace? Except for Micah. Micah, how do you count yourself as a human in this world?

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: If you don't have a MySpace.

Eric: He has a Facebook.

Andrew: A profile. MySpace dot com slash Andrew Sims, add me!

Laura: He doesn't count himself as an emo in this world because he doesn't have MySpace.

Andrew: Top 8 me! Mirror pics! L-o-l.

Jamie: That used to be true, though. MySpace isn't really the haven of emos that it used to be.

Andrew: No, it's not. It's everybody now.

Jamie: Woe is me.

Andrew: you know, I have a confession to make. Actually, no, I don't want to talk about that, never mind. So anyway, MySpace has this thing called Black Curtain screenings, where all you have too do is print out a picture of your profile with the Harry Potter profile and the black curtain screenings profile in your top eight or whatever, you bring it to them at one of these ten cities, and you get to see the movie for free, which is actually pretty cool.

Jamie: That is cool.

Andrew: And like, I'm sure Eric was about to get into, there's been a few listeners of the show that have actually gone to these Black Curtain screenings.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: And sent in little reviews, right Eric?

Eric: Yes, that's exactly how I knew this person and how it was introduced. My friend Jennifer, of New York, had just been to a Black Curtain screening and has given me much more valuable information in a review format then The Times seemed to be useful for us Harry Potter fans. Do you mind, guys, if I just do the first kind of non-really bad spoilerish what I heard from her?

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say just don't give away...

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: ...spoilers.

Eric: I just...

Andrew: Just very, very...

Eric: Right.

Andrew: ...dumbed down.

Eric: What I had heard, actually, was that the movie has a disappointing amount of one-liners in it, and that there was some particular tweaking of the dementors that was not really true to anything worthwhile. Like I heard, for instance, that they begin to grip Harry and start choking him against the wall, with their arms. [laughs]

Jamie: And then they clothesline him.

Andrew: Uh-huh

[Eric, Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: And then they curb him.

Jamie: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, they curb him. That is exactly what happens, seriously.

Andrew: There, uhhh...

Jamie: They're these Nazi skin heads, these dementors.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I don't even know. So, I mean, but Jennifer did say it was a good movie but I heard a lot of slightly bad things about it that were disappointing. Now, namely the one-liners. What do you guys think about that? Because you think that one or two in a movie is funny. It's great but...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: When you say one-liners, do you mean jokes, like one line jokes? Or just...

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: ...lines that are too short?

Eric: Oh no. Maybe...

Andrew: No, jokes right?

Eric: One-liner jokes, which possibly replace...

Jamie: Oh well, yeah.

Eric: ...a lot of the exposition that could be happening, you know? Or story development.

Jamie: It's a bit annoying, you know, but I think perhaps it's there to provide the much needed comedy against the serious backdrop of the film, and I'm starting to sound like a Times review, but...

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Jamie: ...that wasn't as bad as the... But yeah I'd say it could be for that. But a few are okay, but I when you say one-liners I was painfully scared of Harry's line in Chamber of Secrets, when he says, you know, "Don't worry I will be." To Lucius' "Let's hope Mr. Potter will always be around..."

Laura: Oh god that was awful.

Jamie: " save the day."

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: It came second only to Harry's freeze frame finish at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban on his broomstick.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Well see it's just, what I don't want to be reviewing the movie of is saying, for how many great actors they have in this movie, how can it still be crap? Or, how can it still be disappointing? Or, how can they not I mean, I really don't think they need to worry about the acting as much as they do the script treatment and treatment of the story and everything else.

Micah: Right. Well can I add one thing.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: It kind of relates to what you're talking about. Did all of you guys listen to the Order of the Phoenix press junket, or did you read it?

Laura: Uhhh...

Micah: Because what was said in there by pretty much all the guys - Yates, Heyman and then Goldenberg - was that they're such fans of the Harry Potter series and they try to incorporate everything that they possibly can, and that they're so hurt when they can't put things in...

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: ...that they really want to. So I'm wondering, do you think that at all ties into them just saying it, for the sake of saying it, when you hear things like there's just these one-liners that were thrown in to sort of cut down on time?

Andrew: Probably.

Micah: I just find that hard to believe.

Laura: Well, you also have to admit that's a matter of opinion. We don't know what...

Andrew: Exactly.

Laura: ...Eric's friend considers a disappointing amount.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Eric: No, no. It's true as well, it's true.

Laura: ...of one-liners.

Eric: It's very true and I wish I mean it was just early this morning, first thing, I woke up, I heard it from her so I don't remember exactly and she did say she liked the movie, but there were a few complaints and I didn't want to start off the reviewing session with kind of a negative note, you know not expecting this movie to be much. But, as far as I heard there were some things I mean what do you guys think about the dementors? I mean [laughs] come on that's if that's true that's a little bit upsetting.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: On the one-liners though, what I was going to say is, are they putting in just sort of generic one-liners to supplement some of the good one-liners that are actually in the book.

Eric: Oh, well, there's no way to tell.

Micah: There's a couple of them in Order of the Phoenix that are very well-written, obviously one of them being sort of, "Give her hell, Peeves." Or, "Give her..." At the... When Fred and George leave.

Eric: Well as far as we know, Peeves isn't in the movie, is he?

Micah: Right, which is another...

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: ...compromising factor that I'm sure they felt so horrible about not putting in the film.

Other Order of the Phoenix Reviews

Andrew: We do have a couple of other reviews that some listeners sent in and I just want to go through them real quick, they don't really give away any spoilers. Samantha Johnson, 16, of Minnesota said: "It was so incredible, the best movie yet! Some small details were out of place but they did not, like in previous movies add entirely new things, like talking shrunken heads. The acting was absolutely brilliant." She really enjoyed Evanna Lynch's role and she was happy with Dumbledore's role.

Another one comes from Alanna Bennet of Portland, Oregon. She says she still can't believe that she got to see it two weeks early, which is cool in itself. "The thestrals are great," she says. "Luna and Bellatrix equals awesome. And Umbridge is the height of perfection, seriously how could someone be so Umbridge-y."

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: That's a good sign. I think that's a good sign. And then lastly, John Spencer, 15 of Atlanta said: "I personally hated every other HP movie but this was great not only as a movie, but of a movie made after a book. I also took along some of my friends that aren't crazy about the HP movies and they loved it too." So, overall I think people are going to enjoy this movie.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: We've said that a million times...

Laura: I think so, as well.

Andrew: ...and we're just beating around a bush by saying it again. So...

Jamie: It sounds like that I don't know if you all feel the same, but it sounds like people aren't comparing this to the book as much, like the other ones. You know?

Andrew: They shouldn't be.

Jamie: No no, they shouldn't do - but like one and two, because they were in their infancy, people were like, well, you know, Harry Potter is a book series, but now when it's obvious that this movie is only 2 hours and 15 minutes, you can't possibly compare it to the book, you can't fit that many pages into 2 hours and 15 minutes, so perhaps people have realized that these are completely separate and that, if you enjoy it for a film rather than as a book, then your enjoyment is going to be elevated tenfold, just because you aren't thinking, "Well, that's not what I thought when I read about Luna."

Eric: Well, what Alanna Bennet also says, from Portland Oregon, is that, "They stay true to the books in a lot of ways, even though they stray here and there. And, it was too short." So there we get that again, that too short-ness.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Which you know, shows that they like the movie...

Andrew: Are...

Eric: Just maybe could have added even more, or tried to do things here and there. But again, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Any hardcore fan is going to say that it's too short.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: I mean regardless of what they think...

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Overall, the film could have been great, but I'm just thinking to myself that any hardcore fan, no matter what, is going to say that the film was too short and it lacked something.

Eric: You're probably right Micah.

Micah: I think you're going to get that no matter what.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But the one thing I'm starting to notice though, and I'm not sure what you guys think of this, is Evanna Lynch...

Laura: Yep.

Micah: ...Helena Bonham Carter and Imelda Staunton, are all getting such high praise, but it seems like the trio is not living up to standards. [laughs]

Andrew: They've been...

Laura: Well yeah, I realized that...

Andrew: [laughs] Good point.

Laura: I think the general consensus is that Evanna Lynch, Imelda Staunton and Helena Bonham Carter are getting all of the...

Jamie: Imelda Staunton.

Laura: All of the praise for this. So you don't - I mean, I noticed that.

Andrew: Yeah, but they are new. They're fresh to the series. I think that's one of the factors.

Jamie: Yeah, but no - I mean I thought that Bonham Carter and Imelda Staunton would be awesome anyways. Obviously it's...

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Evanna you weren't so sure until you see it because she's a new actress in short, but everyone said she's absolutely amazing. So, I can't wait to see that.

Andrew: Right. Our very own Ben Schoen was also - he's seen the movie already. Of course he can't talk about it yet.

Jamie: What?

Andrew: Yeah, he has. It's part of the embargo, but he was very impressed with it. He did say though that you absolutely cannot relate it to the book at all. He was talking about a few scenes specifically that really cannot be compared because if you do you'll be very disappointed.

Laura: Mhm.

Jamie: Very disappointed, yeah.

Road Trip Tour

Andrew: So, but anyway, we have a couple big announcements this week, concerning a couple things that we're doing. For one, earlier this week - well, Jamie was sleeping.

[Everyone laughs]

But Ben and I, along with Mikey B. and Alex Carpenter of The Remus Lupins announced that we're going to be doing a little road tour, cross country in America starting in Las Vegas and heading northeast towards Pittsburg. For full details on that, you can go to and click on the - there's a link there on one of the most recent news posts, and we'll put a permanent banner up there soon enough. It's going to be a lot of fun, so if - you know, we've done stuff in LA, we've done stuff east coast in New York City, but never in the middle of America, or anywhere in between. Except for Vegas. So...

Jamie: I'm a bit apprehensive about this because eight days cross country is quite - quite tough. Isn't is going to be eight hours driving a day? Or something like that?

Andrew: Something like that. It varies from location to location.

Jamie: Oh god.

Andrew: So it's pretty far.

Eric: Are you guys going to have a trailer, or you just in a little car?

Andrew: A Ford Freestar. A Ford Freestar is what was booked.

Eric: Laptop parties.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And bring your iPod Jamie, that's all I can say.

Jamie: [laughs] I'm going to bring everything.

[Andrew and Laura laughs]

Every form of entertainment that exists. I'm going to buy 100 audio books, 1,000 songs and I'm going to...

Micah: Are you going to pick up hitch hikers?

Jamie: Am I going to what? Am I going to what, Micah?

Micah: Pick up hitch hikers along the way.

Jamie: [laughs] Yeah, yeah we will.

Micah: Bring them to your show.

Jamie: We need to make some entertainment. Precisely.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: The cop chase that will follow, Jamie, because hitch hiking is illegal in some states.

Jamie: Oh really? Yeah, but they'll be big Harry Potter fans...

[Eric and Laura laugh] we'll just, you know, we'll just tell them a few theories and we'll send them on their way. They'll be fine.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. So we're really excited about that. Definitely come out if you're near any of these - I think it's not eight locations, I think it's like 10, so come on out if you're near any of those, we're really looking forward to going on a little summer road tour.

Book 7 Plans

Andrew: Also, we are organizing two very, very, very, very big parties for the Book 7 release on July 20th, the night of. Laura, Micah, Jamie, and I, along with Kevin will all be in London for a huge book event, right Jamie?

Jamie: Yeah we will, we are going to be at Waterstone's Piccadilly Circus, central London. This bookstore is six stories.

Laura: Oh my god.

Jamie: And is the biggest bookstore in Europe. And they are expecting to their own party about 2,000 people. Now I went to their Order of the Phoenix party a couple of years ago, and it was huge. They had this queue that just went all the way around the block and they had entertainment, they had all these jugglers going around, they had Harry Potter look-alikes. This thing was massive, everyone talking in the queue in costume. It was a freezing cold night, and it was absolutely electric, the atmosphere. And they had celebrities turn up, they had Judy Dench, they had Sting...

Laura: She was there?

Jamie: ...from The Police.

Laura: Oh my gosh, I love Judy Dench.

Jamie: No, no, Sting is a he.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: No, I was talking about Judy Dench. Not Sting, no I'm not a retard.

Andrew: John Dench.

Eric: He only sings high.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, no no, yeah. There will be all this stuff planned, it's going to be unbelievable. And, on top of that, we have been talking to them recently and we're going to do a Book 7 podcast from Waterstone's Piccadilly. It's going to start at 8:00 p.m., we're going to go for two hours, and then everyone who attends will then be able to join the queue and get their copy of Book 7. They've - we can have 1,000 people to this podcast, and what they're doing is they're giving us an entire floor of Waterstone's and there are going to be T.V. screens all around the building, so you can watch it if you can't get on the main floor. I think the main floor holds about 800, and so we'll have 800 here and then other people around the - yeah.

Andrew: It's the fourth floor.

Jamie: Yeah, sorry, the fourth floor. And then, what they're doing is they're setting up an e-mail address, and what you can do is you can e-mail this e-mail address and then they will mail you out tickets on lanyards, and then you wear it around your neck, and then they will let you in to see the podcast; otherwise, you can't come in. So, it's a pretty special event. And then after it - it'll finish about 10 - and then after it, you can go down to the queue and enjoy their entertainment. It's going to be absolutely enormous; it's going to be the biggest one in England, easily.

Laura: Oh my gosh.

Jamie: And I can't think of anywhere in Europe where there's going to be a bigger one, either. So, we'll give you more details...

Andrew: This is...

Jamie: Huh?

Laura: I get chills when I think about this. This is going to be amazing.

Andrew: Well, it's - we're not kidding when we say it is going to be huge.

Jamie: It really is. It's going to be absolutely massive.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling's event, without a doubt, will be the biggest one, but we can daresay this is going to be the second biggest event in England.

Jamie: Well, I think more people are going to come to ours, since hers is very closed off for security, to be honest.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: She's only the author, Andrew.

Andrew: I was trying to be a little modest. [laughs]

Jamie: Sorry. No, no, her's is going to be big, obviously, absolutely massive. But in terms of fan-made ones, this one is - seriously, if you're anywhere in the U.K. or continental Europe, we do suggest you come.

Laura: Or the world?

Jamie: Yeah, or the world. Mars. If you're a martian, just come down. It's only 18 billion miles or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: It's going to be worth it, seriously.

Andrew: Well, there are a few Americans who do want to fly out to England...

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: experience the release, and this is definitely a great place to do it.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling's event - not that we're saying it's going to be bad or anything - but we're just saying it's going to be closed off.

Jamie: It is very closed off.

Andrew: And if you didn't get into it...

Jamie: Also, also, also...

Andrew:'re going to have to go somewhere else.

Jamie: Waterstone's are doing all kinds of special deals for the podcast, but you know, people going for the podcast, they're going to give you a 10% discount on the deluxe book, they're making all these special shirts which you can only buy on this night. It's going to be absolutely amazing. This thing is going to be the biggest party ever. So, we're going to be releasing more details soon. If you want tickets to this amazing, unbelievable, and probably the best day of your life event - am I selling it well?

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Very well.

Jamie: Okay.

Andrew: Yes.

Jamie: E-mail harrypotter at waterstones dot com.

Andrew: All one word.

Jamie: We'll be providing a link on the website. Yeah, all one word. With how many tickets you'd like, and your address, so they know where to send them to, up to maximum of 10 per person. And then they'll send your tickets out to you so you'll have them on the day. It's up to 1,000 people, so get e-mailing as soon as you can, so you know that you're going to get them and that you can come. And, Andrew...

Eric: Jamie?

Jamie: Yeah?

Eric: If I show up, will there be room for me?

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Okay, cool.

Andrew: You should tell us soon, though. [laughs]

Laura: No, Eric. You can't come. You can't come, Eric.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: We're telling you you can't come.

Jamie: Yeah, you can't come.

Andrew: Yeah, you're going to be guest number 1,001.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: They're not going to let you in.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: And we should probably mention our grand prize for it. Should we, Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: At this podcast, we're going to have a load of prizes to give away, a load of competitions, but our grand prize is a V.I.P, all-expenses paid trip to the podcast, which includes transport to the hotel, overnight attendance at the podcast, everything. Only for U.K.-ers, so please don't apply if you're in Mars as we talked about before, or in the U.S., or anywhere else on Earth. We'll be announcing details on how you can enter this contest and how you can win this grand prize a week from now on Episode 98.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: So, listen to that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: And do come to this event, because you're going to really, really enjoy it.

Andrew: Yeah, seriously, this is going to be a huge event. Laura, Micah, Kevin, and I - oh, and Jamie too - we'll all be there. Laura and Micah, you guys excited? This is going to be your first trip to England with you, isn't it?

Laura: Yes! Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I was hoping we would go so bad.

Micah: No, it's not.

Andrew: Oh, Micah, it's not your's?

Laura: Oh yeah, Micah goes over there to visit Jo weekly. Didn't you know?

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, right, right, I forgot. Sorry.

Micah: Yeah, I mean, come on.

Andrew: Sorry.

Micah: No, no, yeah, it's going to be the first time over there, so I'm really looking forward to this.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: It sounds like a really good time, and I just can't wait.

Andrew: Yeah, it's going to be huge. We're not kidding. It's going to be huge.

Eric: You guys do have to promise me one thing though, that you will play - and Jamie and I have talked about this - you will play "The Final Countdown" by Europe.

Jamie: [makes trumpet noise] We should, yeah. We should do that. [makes noise] Or, we could play "White and Nerdy" by Weird Al.

Andrew: Gonna get white and nerdy.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You know, I thought about that too, I thought, you know what, this totally does kind of blow away "The Final Countdown" for the final book.

Jamie: It does. It really does. I couldn't decide.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: [singing] They see me mowing my front lawn, I know they're thinking I'm so white and nerdy.

Andrew: So, while they sing, full details will be available on - actually, full details are available on now, right now, so go on or if you want to seek more information. Full details are on the site. Definitely come out. Deadline, I don't know if Jamie mentioned this, is July 13th at midnight to request tickets, because they have to mail them to you.

Jamie: It is. But, we advise you e-mail a long time before to guarantee you get in. Now, we are selling this a lot, but it really will be an amazing event so please, please come and see us.

Andrew: Yeah. So back over - yeah?

Micah: And Andrew?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I have a question.

Andrew: What?

Micah: Because this is such a big event, because, hey, it works, can we stamp this as Episode 100?

Andrew: Oh, that was going to be another thing. Yes. This is going to be episode - this live event, it's going to make me cry, is going to be Episode 100 of MuggleCast.

Jamie: Episode 100, nice.

Andrew: It's perfect timing, it's going to be huge, that makes it even bigger. 100 episodes. I mean, we've even done little shows, I mean, technically, this could be Episode 100 because we've done little, mini-shows before.

Eric: Oh wait, guys. Wait, so, what, everyone's going to be there then except me, right?

Laura: Well, no, Ben won't be there.

Eric: Laura, Micah, Kevin, Jamie, Andrew - oh, not Ben.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Ah, so...

Eric: Now I don't feel so bad.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Speaking of Ben, Ben, along with Emerson, will be in Chicago for a United States event at Oak Park, right outside Chicago, actually. For the past two books, Goblet of Fire - no, sorry, Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince - we've held huge events at this Oak Park place. So, if you're in the United States in the Chicago area - anywhere in that Midwest area, I guess it is - definitely check that out. Full details again are on; of course, we can't promote that much. For one, Ben's not on the show to give more details.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Jamie: I was just going to say...

Laura: I love how...

Jamie: It's like we have this huge event and it's massive you should definitely come over...

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: ...and if you're in the Chicago area, you can pop in, maybe, if you fancy.

Andrew: Well, I don't know what to say, because I don't know details about it.

Jamie: No, no, it's...

Laura: It's true.

Jamie: Well, no...

Eric: Oak Park is a nice community area...

Andrew: Eric knows about it.

Eric: I've been there. I was there for the Order of the Phoenix event when Emerson and Jamie were at the Waterstone's.

Jamie: Yes.

Eric: So, I was in Oak Park and it's a great community area. They turn the main street there with the bookstore called The Magic Owl, I believe, or The Learned Owl and - no sorry, The Magic Tree bookstore. That's right.

Jamie: How many people are there again, Eric? I heard a load of people.

Eric: They get about 10,000.

Jamie: Yeah, so it's a huge - it really is a big event.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: So, and they have a load of things, don't they? They have activities?

Eric: Yeah, all the shops are turned into the shops at Diagon Alley, etc.

Jamie: Wow.

Eric: I am sure they have improved it since Book 6 and for Book 7 especially - it's going to be massive. So I don't know what Ben and Emerson are doing there, but they'll be there and you can guarantee there will be MuggleNet stickers for everyone and...

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: Full details will be on - they're on right now along with the Chicago even. Emerson made a nice little flyer that is going to be online, so check that out - go to right now and get all the details about both events. They are both "Huuuuge!"

Jamie: Yes, they are. Massive, in fact.

Andrew: So that's what we are doing this summer. [laughs] It's a lot of stuff.

Laura: It is.

Andrew: And we hope to see everyone out there supporting the show and the website. So, thank you and of course, we'll be talking about...

Eric: That's it for this week's MuggleCast.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It's been an hour.

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