Other Announcements

Andrew: [laughs] That did take up the whole episode. I do want to say, quickly, just - I just want to remind everyone - that we are going to be at Enlightening 2007. We're also going to be at Prophecy. I know we've talked about those before, so again, visit MuggleCast.com for more details about those. Thank you very much. One final note - I'm sorry, I have to do this - one final note. [laughs] Me, Jamie, and Kevin are going to be at the Order of the Phoenix premiere. We're going to be doing a podcast at the Piccadilly Theatre. It's this huge theatre in london. Jamie was very surprised when I told him this.

Jamie: Yeah [laughs] Very surprised.

Andrew: It's - it's a huge theatre we're going to be doing this in, and it can hold about 1,200 people. So, if you're going to be in London for the premiere, definitely come down.

Jamie: Be prepared to share a seat. [laughs]

Andrew: No, there's going to be plenty of room for everyone. MuggleNet.com, once again, for full details. All right, and finally, one last, last, last thing - the US premiere. If you're going to be at the LA Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix premiere, we will be at the Borders of Westwood, where we were for - after the Podcast Awards. We're going to be there on July 9th, the day after the premiere, at 5 p.m. So, definitely come down and check that out.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Once again, for the last time, full details on MuggleNet.com. Hey, let's move on, now. We have a show. We have a show to talk about.

Jamie: We do.

Andrew: For everyone else who doesn't care.

Listener Rebuttal: Bellatrix's Words

Andrew: We have some rebuttals this week. Laura, you want to take the first one?

Laura: Okay. The first one comes from Mark, 30, from Ireland. He says:

In Episode 96, you spoke briefly about when, in 'Order of the Phoenix,' Bellatrix tells VOldemort, "He is here, he is below." It was suggested that she was referring to Sirius Black. I always believed that she was referring to Dumbledore. She was warning Voldemort that Dumbledore (the only one he ever feared) was here in the Ministry and that he was below in the Department of Mysteries.

Jamie: Hmmm. Hmmm. But isn't that the...?

Andrew: It does make sense.

Jamie: It does, but...

Andrew: It's true.

Jamie: ...isn't that the ambiguity about it? It could be Dumbledore, it could be Harry, it could be Sirius, it could be, you know?

Eric: I don't think it's Harry.

Laura: Well, I don't think it's Harry because Harry was right there.

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Oh, well, perhaps - I have to dig myself out of a hole now. Perhaps she was trying to trick him.

Laura: To trick...Voldemort?

Jamie: She doesn't really like Voldemort, because...

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Jamie: ...he turned down her marriage proposal. So, she wants to annoy him now.

Eric: Jamie, are you familiar with the PostSecret books? PostSecret? Have you ever...?

Jamie: I'm not, no.

Eric: All right, never mind, then. Forget it.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Yeah, I think she was definitely referring to Dumbledore. I mean, there's really no question about it in my mind.

Andrew: Yeah, well, last week, though, we were talking like it was about someone else.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Okay, see, I have no clue where this rebuttal came from, so I'm just... [laughs].

Andrew: Ohhh, ohhh, yeah, I'm pretty sure this one was Jamie's fault. Also, we have another e-mail from Monica [laughs] - I'm just kidding, but...

Jamie: No, no, I think it is my fault, then.

Listener Rebuttal: Malfoy Mansion and Lucius' Items

Andrew: It's okay, that's fine. Okay, yeah. It wasn't my fault. Monica from Virginia writes, with the subject "Malfoy's Embarrassing Items?" And she writes:

I was just reading 'Chamber of Secrets' again and when Lucius says "I have a few - ah - items at home that might embarrass me, if the Ministry were to call," it makes me think that he might be harboring a Horcrux somewhere in his mansion. He seems to have a hiding place there, as the Ministry didn't find anything during the raid, and Lucius was holding the diary before. What do you think?

Eric: I mentioned this.

Andrew: Eric?

Eric: Wait, did they say I mentioned this? Because I totally - I told this whole story and made those exact same conclusions in Episode 95, I think. Because I was rereading Chamber of Secrets and I said his drawing-room floor. But okay, I'll stop being indignant and say yes. Don't kow if Lucius has any more Horcruxes because he already had the diary, but I do think that possibly, we'll be able to see the Malfoy mansion as a setting in one of the books. And I think I asked you guys that.

Jamie: I don't know. You probably did. I'm sure you did. But isn't...

Eric: Laura, do you remember me asking this?

Laura: No.

Eric: Whatever. I could have dreamed it.

Andrew: That's okay, Eric. We trust you.

Eric: If it wasn't on an episode, I'm sorry. [laughs]

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: But wasn't the whole point with this that when Lucius says, "Do you think you can hurry up Borgin? I have important business elsewhere." Isn't that the whole thing? He knows he's going to go and dump the diary, and he says, "I have a few items at home," and didn't someone say certain poisons he's got? Didn't he mention in some other book that it was poisons and dark magic stuff? He did, definitely.

Andrew: Ummm...

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: I can't remember which book it is, but a Horcrux is a good bet, but I don't see why Voldemort would want it in someone's house that he knows, you know. He doesn't trust these people. They're not his friends.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: The only reason Lucius had the diary was because of a possible future plan that they were kind of working on...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...and Voldemort fell before it happened, and even then Lucius supposedly didn't know the full potential of the diary, just that it would open up the Chamber of Secrets. And obviously when it got destroyed that is why Voldemort got so angry.

Jamie: Yeah. Exactly, yeah.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Jamie: Interesting though. Very interesting.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. Definitely.

Eric: Yeah. Plus, also let's not forget, once Lucius Malfoy left, and Harry remained, Mr. Borgin I believe it was said something...

Jamie: Ah, yeah.

Eric: ...muttered under his breath something to the effect of, "Rumors are there is more hidden that what you are..."

Jamie: Twice as much, yeah.

Eric: "...twice as much as what you are trying to sell me." So, could be.

Andrew: Interesting.

Jamie: It is interesting.

Andrew: Well, we are going to move on now to a whole bunch of voice-mails.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: A lot of you have been calling in our wonderful voicemail numbers: 1-218-20-MAGIC. I don't remember the other two. I doubt anyone else does.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: 828...

Laura: 020-844-06-77. I remember that one.

Jamie: Wow. Wow.

Andrew: No. That wasn't it, was it?

Laura: I've heard you say it 50 million times.

Andrew: Wow!

Eric: We changed that number, Laura.

Andrew: Yeah. We changed it.

Eric: Just today, so that you would sound intelligent, and we would be able to say...

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Hah hah! Hah hah!

Voicemail: Number of Horcruxes

Andrew: Okay, now let's get to the first voicemail now.

[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCasters! This is Brett from Memphis, Tennessee. I was calling in, because I had a theory about the Horcruxes. Basically, I was wondering if you thought it was possible that there were only five Horcruxes ever made? My reasoning for this is a couple things. First off, Dumbledore says that Voldemort was trying to make his final Horcrux out of Harry, so I just don't think that Voldemort is the kind of person that would give up on doing something. It would almost be admitting defeat if he was like, "Oh, I can't make Harry Potter my death for a Horcrux, so I am going to do it for someone else." My second reason is that he is supposed to save all his Horcrux making for really significant deaths, and the caretaker of the Riddle house, Frank, I don't see him as being a very significant death. Just wanted to see what you guys think. I love the show. Keep it up, and that's it.

Jamie: [gasps] Every life is important, Brett!

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: But Isn't this like - you'd think that if he was planning on making Harry out of one then, yeah, that's completely possible. If he was saving it, and didn't Dumbledore specifically say that he reserved Horcruxes for important people. He planned these things, you know, when he was going to make it, so it is entirely possible that he only made five plus his soul, and Harry was going to be the sixth, seven plus his soul, but then he didn't make it, obviously because it backfired on him.

Laura: Yeah, and I think that definitely Harry would be plenty significant just because, you know, to say that he made his last Horcrux out of the one person who could have destroyed him.

Jamie: Completely, yeah, but also, do you...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ...think he went to the house knowing what kind of power this person would have? So, saying that...

Laura: No, he didn't.

Jamie: Yeah, but I mean if he says, you know, "One has the power to vanquish you," does that mean one when he grows up and has finished his formal education has the power to vanquish you, or one has just an innate mutation that when you walk into the same room as him, you vaporize? So, perhaps he went there thinking, "I need my full power in case Harry has something about him now that I need to battle," and also you would think that if seven is the most powerful magical number, and he did think that he had to go there with full power in case Harry was super-powerful, then you would think he would make all seven beforehand, so that he was as powerful as he possibly could be, so there was no chance of him being defeated by Harry.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Even at that early stage.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

Eric: No, exactly, and we have even come to the conclusion that even - didn't, I think even Dumbledore came to the conclusion that he didn't have seven Horcruxes at the time of his downfall, because...

Jamie: Oh, really?

Eric: I'm pretty sure that's canon. I'm almost positive that's canon. Because...

Jamie: Well, that completely throws out my theory. I should be a better fan.

Eric: Well, no, I could be wrong, but I actually think that was one of the interesting...

Jamie: No. I think that you are right.

Eric: ...things about the books, because he had four or five and then made Nagini and something else, but...

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: ...even if he was going to make Harry the seventh or the sixth Horcrux, therefore having seven pieces of soul.

Jamie: The thing that I would say is that even if Harry is the only thing that can bring your downfall, why would you use him to your own ends? Wouldn't you want him out of the way as soon as possible? It isn't...

Eric: The prophecy said, "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal." That doesn't mean he's going to mark him by trying to kill him or...

Jamie: No. It just means that he thinks that he's his equal, yeah.

Laura: Yeah. He thinks that - he views him as powerful enough to destroy him.

Jamie: Precisely. Precisely, yeah and also...

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: ...also, Voldemort is proud, but I think his pride has to come second to his slaying in power, and I think that he would much rather create seven, and then just go and get rid of Harry for sure, rather than...

Laura: But don't you think it's possible that maybe his pride could sometimes get in the way?

Jamie: Completely. Absolutely I completely agree.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: I think it's one of his weaknesses just like Dumbledore's was that he trusted people too easily. I think pride and vanity is one of Voldemort's and his fear of death is obviously three very, very bad things.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: It's like he has trophies, you know Ravenclaw, Slytherin and Hufflepuff.

Eric: Yeah, so was Harry's scar Voldemort's marking him or was that something else entirely?

Jamie: Well no, no...

Laura: I think that's the result...

Jamie: ...I agree with Laura.

Laura: ...of the failed killing curse.

Eric: Yeah but the failed killing curse only resulted because the prophecy had something to do with Voldemort enacting the prophecy which had something to do with Harry having the power.

Laura: Well no, the scar was the result of Lily's love for Harry.

Jamie: Yeah exactly.

Eric: Well...

Jamie: I agree with you Laura that its marking could just mean - I could mark, I could mark, I dunno, someone as a threat just by thinking that they're a threat. You know, you've marked him or her so it's like...

Eric: I agree, though it's been said that when Harry tried or when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, he transferred powers unwittingly...

Laura: He did though.

Eric: ...to Harry or some similarities.

Laura: He did.

Eric: What do you mean he did?

Laura: I'm saying he did.

Eric: Oh okay.

Laura: But how does that - what does that have to do with marking him as his equal? It was...

Eric: It has everything to do with marking him as his equal.

Laura: Well, no it was just a mistake as a result.

Jamie: Jerry, Jerry.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: Well no, just a lot of wierd crap happend and we still don't know about the scar.

Jamie: That is true.

Andrew: But Dumbledore seemed pretty confident that there are at least six right? Isn't that what he said?

Laura: At this point I don't know - I just don't - I mean just looking at it from a litterary perspective, I don't see why we would be led to believe that he did have a total of seven including his soul and then be told, "Oh by the way he didn't really." So, you know it just seems a little wierd to me.

Jamie: Yeah that is true, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: That is very true.

Eric: Well, we weren't told that he had seven were we? We were just told that he was after I think seven.

Laura: Well, that he was after seven but it just seems sort of anti-climactic in a way...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...like he was striving for it and he didn't even get it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But why would Harry be a Horcrux though? I don't - I never understood that point.

Laura: Well, he's not really saying that Harry's a Horcrux it just seems like he was trying to use Harry to make a Horcrux.

Micah: Oh no, definately because Dumbledore says that when he tells Harry about the Horcruxes. He says - no he tells Harry that Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow with the intention of making Harry the final Horcrux.

Laura: Right.

Micah: And I thought there was a moment in the office too that Harry starts to pose the question as to whether he is a Horcrux and Dumbledore says, "No!" Do you guys remember that?

Eric: I kind of remember that, yeah.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Uhhh.

Eric: But it's not, it wasn't strong enough because Dumbledore also, you know, at the end of Book 2...

Micah: No, no.

Eric: ...was contemplating when he - it's so finely touched upon when Dumbledore tells Harry that he unwittingly transferred some of his powers and that is no doubt why you have a trouble making side, but then we learned that his father had a trouble making side too. And also the Sorting Hat about wanting to put Harry in Slytherin because of all his Voldemort similarities or not. The choices overruling that.

Laura: The Parseltoungue.

Is Voldemort Taking a Risk by Going After Harry Again?

Andrew: If Harry is a Horcrux wouldn't Voldemort be taking a risk by trying to kill him twice?

Eric: You know Andrew, what does MuggleNet.com's...

Andrew: In Book 5?

Eric: ...What Will Happen in Book Seven say about this?

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: I never read it.

Eric: Because you know what...

Andrew: I never read it. I never read it.

Eric: ...Jamie, Jamie you almost - you were apart of that book. What do they say about Horcruxes and if Harry's a Horcrux or not?

Jamie: We believe...

Eric: I could just pull up Emerson - okay good, just go.

Jamie: ...we believe that Harry is a Horcrux. You'd have to read the actual book but it is a very very convincing argument. I can't exactly remember what we put down because I didn't personally write that chapter, but it is a pretty convinving argument.

Eric: Thank you.

Laura: I don't think Harry is a Horcrux but...

Jamie: No, no, you...

Andrew: Ben's trying to

Jamie: ...Laura, Laura...

Andrew: ...next time Ben's on the show we'll have him.

Jamie: ...you can't say that.

Laura: I'm not on the cover I can say what I want.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Jamie: You can't, you can't, you're in the book. No seriously, you can't say that. I think - I don't think he's a Horcrux. I didn't write that, but...

Laura: Well I don't - I don't really think it matters what our personal opinions are I think people...

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Though I do appreciate Jamie's loyalty or sense of loyalty.

Jamie: Oh it's not loyalty it's just - cause I don't agree with that. It's just that I do - I don't think we should publically say that I don't agree with a book that I helped write, but I don't care enough Laura really...

Laura: Okay.

Jamie: ...so say what the hell you like.

Laura: Okay, thank you. Yeah.

Andrew: Let's - next voicemail now.

Voicemail: Moaning Myrtle's Death

[Audio]: Hi guys this is Jessica, I'm sixteen from St-louis Missouri. I'm in the middle of listening to Episode 96 and you just brought up the point that maybe Voldemort made a Horcrux out of Moaning Myrtle's death, well I was wondering if that was even possible because he didn't actaully do the act of killing, he sent he Basilisk on her, so I don't really know if he could actually make a Horcrux out of Moaning Myrtle's death. Just wanted to know what you guys thought about that. I love the show! Jamie's my favorite! Bye.

Jamie: Can I take this one?

Andrew: Yes, if yeah go on.

Jamie: No, no sorry go on.

Andrew: Well yes, if our discussion a couple of weeks ago was to be believed. Where we were studying what it takes to actually make a Horcrux out of something correct?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You have to be present for the killing and then actually - there's some spell or some way to encapsule the soul and then...

Jamie: No but, I was going to say the reason it has to be you is that you can't - you have to split your soul and that can only be achieved by you doing the killing. I'd say you know, you have to have like a guilty mind and do the killing for it to - because you know it's a violation of nature so you have to violate nature.

Andrew: Right. You personally.

Jamie: Yeah exactly you have to violate nature.

Eric: Well, well, setting the Basilisk on her though, that's why it's interesting - setting the Basilisk. Just commanding the Basilisk to kill her, that's like commanding a firing squad to kill somebody.

Jamie: No but, but Eric.

Laura: But yeah, it was almost like the Basilisk was an instrument.

Jamie: It is.

Laura: I kind of wonder how much accountability is taken into consideration when something like...

Jamie: If I told...

Laura: ...this is done.

Jamie: If I told you to tell Eric, to tell Micah, to tell Andrew, to tell Emerson...

Laura: This is not the Goblet of Fire< movie.

Jamie: ...to tell Ben, to kill, to kill, - no seriously...

Eric: It's not that long winded though. It's not that long winded though.

Jamie: Seriously, to kill, like, a random person I wouldn't be guilty of it. You know, I couldn't split my soul from that.

Laura: Well, no...

Jamie: I think you actually have to perform the killing.

Eric: All we're saying is - all we're suggesting is...

Laura: You can't really compare that. Riddle had complete control over the Basilisk.

Eric: Yeah, exactly. All he says is - he commands a giant snake to attack a girl.

Jamie: But he isn't actually doing it though. You know, saying - saying, "Go and kill him"...

Eric: But his malice, his...

Jamie: ...I bet the act...

Laura: But I guess the point is...

Jamie: Malice, I know he's got malice, but he isn't doing it. He isn't killing anyone.

Laura: The difference is - the difference is that he means it, though, I think. Whenever...

Jamie: He does mean it.

Laura: ...you turn to Andrew, and say, "Go kill Laura." I would hope that you were kidding.

[Eric laughs]

Jamie: No, Laura, I'm a serial killer.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: You can see it in my eyes.

Laura: But I mean - you can, absolutely.

Eric: You can.

Laura: But if- but if Tom Riddle, or Lord Voldemort turns somebody and says, "Kill them," he's completely not joking. He's completely serious.

Jamie: Of course he isn't. He isn't, but...

Eric: I was just wondering if it splits your soul. I mean...

Laura: I'm just wondering...

Jamie: It's a proxy killing. I don't see...

Laura: ...how precise it is, I suppose.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah. It doesn't... It's like, if, I just don't think if you actually - if you actually kill someone that you're violating nature by... I think it depends if the violation of nature is what splits your soul, or whether it's the sort of decision to kill someone. Because if like, if say you stab someone and that kills them, if the stabbing is the thing that splits your soul, then perhaps you do have to do it. But if, as you say, and it's a very good point, that it's the malice, you know, intent that you have, the sort of guilty mind of doing it, then perhaps it's that that splits your soul. Or perhaps it's the ability to be able to kill that can do it. I don't know.

Eric: Well, I just think that - all I'm thinking - I know you can have malice, but then there's what actually takes to do the unforgivable curses, for instance.

Jamie: Well, yeah. Yeah.

Eric: Well...

Jamie: Yeah, precisely. Yeah.

Eric: ...what I'm saying though is that commanding the basilisk to kill Moaning Myrtle is killing Moaning Myrtle, as far as I'm concerned. I think that should have been powerful enough to split a soul, because you are sending the big snake on this girl. I think that is strong enough, not just a utility or a tool, but I think that sould be strong enough to split Voldemort's soul.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: I don't think that anything...

Jamie: Yeah, that's true.

Eric: ...you know, not just thinking about it being evil enough to possibly do it, but if you - I still think it should count when you set the snake on her that was killing.

Laura: Right.

Eric: That was him killing her.

Laura: Okay, are we ready for the next one?

Jamie: Yeah.

Voicemail: Dumbledore and the Mirror of Erised

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Marc. I'm 14 and I live in North Carolina. My question is, in the 2005 interview with J. K. Rowling, Emerson asked Jo what Dumbledore would see if he looked in the Mirror of Erised. Jo couldn't answer this question which, obviously, means what Dumbledore wanted more than anything was not for Voldemort to be defeated. If he didn't want that, what do you think Dumbledore did want more than anything? Could it have something to do with the look of triumph? Tell me what you think. Thanks! Bye!

Andrew: Do you really think so, though?

[Silence]

Eric: Well, I don't know

Andrew: Well, close off that.

Laura: Well, I think what she's saying is that if Dumbledore's greatest wish was for Voldemort to be defeated, why would she have to be so secretive about it?

Jamie: Wouldn't Dumbledore, as a person who is typically known as seeing the wider picture realized that evil isn't vanquished just because one evil person is vanquished. Voldemort, you know, Grindelwald sounds very, very deadly, and he, for all we know, could be more powerful than Voldemort. If you take the prophecy to be gospel, then Dumbledore couldn't - you know, one interpretation of the prophecy,if you take that to be gospel then Dumbledore couldn't defeat Voldemort. So, it could be that Voldemort isn't as powerful as Grindelwald.

Eric: That's very intelligent.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Well thank you, Eric.

Laura: I really don't think that. I don't think that she was doing that just to, kind of, leave the question open. I think that what Dumbledore would want most is significant. As for it applying to the gleam of triumph in his eye, I'm not sure. I mean, that could have been for a million different reasons. But I think that...

Jamie: That's true.

Laura: ...generally, over all, Dumbledore just wants a peaceful world. I don't really think he wants more than that.

Micah: I mean, I could see it just being something as simple as - I mean...

Laura: Yeah, but if you remember...

Micah: Maybe he didn't see anything. Maybe he just saw himself. Maybe he doesn't, isn't affected by something like that.

Laura: But- but didn't he say that only the happiest...

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: ...man on earth would see himself as he is?

Andrew: Yep.

Laura: I don't think- I don't know. I just don't see him as the happiest man on earth, but if you remember in Sorcerer's Stone, Harry asked Dumbledore what he saw himself as in the Mirror of Erised, and he said that he saw himself holding a pair of socks...

Andrew: Right.

Laura: ...but Harry got the distinct impression that he was lying.

Andrew: Of course, that's what Dumbledore does, and Harry was too young to understand even if he wanted to tell him the truth. So...

[Laura laughs]

Voicemail: The Symbol

[Audio]: Hey, MuggleCast, this is Emily, 14, from New York. I'm calling in regard to the symbol on the spine of the U.K. children's edition of Deathly Hallows. I was on the Leaky Lounge recently and I came across a new theory about it. Someone suggested that it's the one that you use to make a Horcrux. Each shape is a different part of casting the spell. The circle is for the piece of soul being preserved, the triangle symbolizes the object into which the piece of soul was encapsulated, and the line is the splitting of the soul. I'm not exactly sure how this fits in with the delta phi and the white marble, but anyway this isn't my theory. All the credit goes to the person from the Leaky Lounge. In any case, I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on this. I love the show, keep up the awesome work. Bye. Pickles!

Andrew: That's a great theory. I like that.

Jamie: It is awesome, yeah.

Laura: That actually is a very good theory...

Andrew: Again...

Laura: ...whoever came up with it, butI like it a lot.

Andrew: It does appear to be engraved on something. Like, on the spine. It was - it was, like, on that marble and there was some debate over, well, what is it on? Is it on Dumbledore's tomb? But then some people shot that down. Is it on somewhere we haven't seen yet? So, I mean even if it is engraved on something, I guess it could still suggest what you have to do. I'm just trying to think how they would discover that. Like, "Hmmm. Here's the symbol. What do we do with it?"

Laura: It's Horcrux instructions, Andrew.

Andrew: It reminds me of like...

Laura: It's sort of like when they hand out papers in class with instructions...

Andrew: I guess. I guess...

Laura: ...on how to do something.

Andrew: ...but it's not like - it's not like "Step 1: Circle. Step 2: Triangle..."

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: "Hold wand between two fingers."

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: "Step 2: Kill someone."

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: What this does remind me of...

Jamie: "Step 3..."

Andrew: ...shout out to all you N64 fans out there, is Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, where you'd get these little things on how to play...

Jamie: Oh, good game.

Andrew: ...your Ocarina. And then [sings Zelda ocarina song]. Ocarina.

Eric: The macarena?

Jamie: Yeah. [starts singing different song]

Eric: Marcarena?

Andrew: Ocarina. No, not the macarena.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Sorry, I was just playing the original Legend of Zelda on the Gameboy Advance. They did the NES version of it and I have the original Legend of Zelda.

Andrew: Neato. Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Very hard. Very hard game.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Jamie?

Jamie: Yes?

Laura: Have you ever done the macarena?

Jamie: No, I have. Yeah. Embarassingly enough.

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Have you?

Laura: It's going to be - that's going to be my next blickle.

Andrew: I was just going to say. Pickle Pack content for this week!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: What, the macarena?

Laura: Yeah. Why not?

Micah: That was a one hit wonder.

Laura: It really was.

Jamie: It was, yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I listen to it everyday still.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: But, no, any other theories about that theory? I think that's a great idea.

Laura: Yeah, it is really...

Jamie: It's - it's brilliant. Yeah.

Laura: ...fabulous.

Andrew: Jo? Any comments?

Micah: Jo?

Andrew: Jo.

Micah: Did you say Jo?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I did.

Jamie: No, she's keeping quiet. Come on, Jo, it's your first time on the show.

Andrew: [in high girly voice] Ah, yes, that's an excellent theory. I like that theory.

Jamie: Is it true though, Jo?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [still in high girly voice] Thumbs up to the Leaky Lounge.

Laura: Oh my god.

Andrew: [high girly voice] I can't say anything yet.

Laura: Andrew! She should - she would feel insulted.

[Micah and Andrew laugh]

Eric: I told you. We should have long time - a long time a go, we should have had a British woman on the show just to throw everyone off. It's too late to do it now, but don't you guys think it's cool that show 100 is on the DH release? Come on.

Jamie: It is awesome.

Andrew: Yeah, it couldn't be better.

Laura: In London. No doubt.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Back in August 2005, we actually planned it that way. We were like "Yeah, we're going to skip a show this week, this week, this week..."

Jamie: Yeah, we did.

Andrew: "...Jamie's going to..."

Eric: Yeah, we're going to slack of for this many weeks.

Andrew: "...pick the wrong train times this week, which will then add two extra shows so by July."

Jamie: We got it tatooed on our bodies so we just know exactly when, you know?

[Laura laughs]

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